Track list for "WHERE MAGIC LIVES ON" The Offical Album of WDW
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Michael Zielski
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I was going to bring up the "golden years" of Walt Disney Records, too, Ben, but didn't want to stray too far off the thread--but it does illustrate the fact that, at one time, there was a great committment to the music, with alot of varying material being released--sure, there were some clunkers, but not every release is going to "go gold," that's just part of the music business--but the people involved were committed to having the music heard, and willing to take that chance--that interest and dedication just isn't there now.
As you also brought up, Disney did make a brief attempt at re-releasing some of the material of the "golden years, but only scratched the surface with Randy's Archive Series, because as Randy himself said, as you also mentioned, music stores didn't know how to catalogue the Ukele Ike title, for example, and that was part of the reason the series failed. Once again, the committment wasn't there to re-group and solve the problem.
It just comes down to, if you aren't talking multi-million dollar sales, no one at the Walt Disney Company is home. Mike.
As you also brought up, Disney did make a brief attempt at re-releasing some of the material of the "golden years, but only scratched the surface with Randy's Archive Series, because as Randy himself said, as you also mentioned, music stores didn't know how to catalogue the Ukele Ike title, for example, and that was part of the reason the series failed. Once again, the committment wasn't there to re-group and solve the problem.
It just comes down to, if you aren't talking multi-million dollar sales, no one at the Walt Disney Company is home. Mike.
Dr. Know
Member
Ben --
It is frustrating that Disney won't let composers release their work on other labels. I know Intrada has been wanting to release Bruce Broughton's Disney park music for years, but Disney won't let them do it. If it wasn't for the composer releasing the Ellen's Energy Adventure overture on his own promo disc, we would have nothing from that attraction at all. John Debney's great contributions have also gone mostly unreleased.
It is frustrating that Disney won't let composers release their work on other labels. I know Intrada has been wanting to release Bruce Broughton's Disney park music for years, but Disney won't let them do it. If it wasn't for the composer releasing the Ellen's Energy Adventure overture on his own promo disc, we would have nothing from that attraction at all. John Debney's great contributions have also gone mostly unreleased.
illuminations25
New Member
And to think I was hoping for a great new CD release from the parks this year.
Hey gang. Just got back from a short trip to Walt Disney World and picked up my copy of the new "Where Magic Lives" album. It's available at MOST merchandise locations, but not property wide just yet. They have pulled all of the "100 Years of Magic" albums.
The Beast and Mermaid tracks are taken straight from Walt Disney World Forever. The Bug track is the "demo" version from the Cali CD. I am unsure about the Playhouse Disney track, as I've never watched the show on TV or in the parks, to know if it's indeed from one or the other.
No Main Street. Still an incorrect Epcot Entrance track. I would like to see more music cycled in. I would like to see Impressions shortened or deleted in favor of a Mexico or Norway track. Let's hear something from Dinosaur or Fantasyland. Where is the Star Tours track they could EASILY port from the Disneyland OA?
Sheesh. Must not take much intelligence to work for Buena Vista Records, huh? Let's try to make it to the parks next time BEFORE we compile an album guys!
The Beast and Mermaid tracks are taken straight from Walt Disney World Forever. The Bug track is the "demo" version from the Cali CD. I am unsure about the Playhouse Disney track, as I've never watched the show on TV or in the parks, to know if it's indeed from one or the other.
No Main Street. Still an incorrect Epcot Entrance track. I would like to see more music cycled in. I would like to see Impressions shortened or deleted in favor of a Mexico or Norway track. Let's hear something from Dinosaur or Fantasyland. Where is the Star Tours track they could EASILY port from the Disneyland OA?
Sheesh. Must not take much intelligence to work for Buena Vista Records, huh? Let's try to make it to the parks next time BEFORE we compile an album guys!
disneyphilip
Member
I still want a "Journey into Imagination with Figment" ride-through mix, something from "Food Rocks", an "El Rio Del Tiempo" ride-through mix and a piece from the "Muppet-Vision 3D" lobby BGM loop.
Dr. Know
Member
I think the incorrect Epcot Entrance selection is the thing that irritates me the most. I mean, when was the last time "Energy" was played in the Epcot entrance area? It isn't a part of the current medley, which has been played for the last two years. And it isn't played in the Energy pavilion either.
Imagine the disappointment of an unsuspecting park visitor who buys the disc hoping to hear some element of the wonderful Epcot entrance loop, and what they get is the old Universe of Energy theme that hasn't played anywhere for at least 4 years.
We all need to speak up and complain about this travesty.
And while I'm ranting, I just don't understand why Disney doesn't put out a separate cd for each of the parks. I would bet that a certain percentage of the kind of park visitor who would want an audio souvenir like this would buy one for each of the parks. Think of the money that could be made if they would just put a little more thought into this product.
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Imagine the disappointment of an unsuspecting park visitor who buys the disc hoping to hear some element of the wonderful Epcot entrance loop, and what they get is the old Universe of Energy theme that hasn't played anywhere for at least 4 years.
We all need to speak up and complain about this travesty.
And while I'm ranting, I just don't understand why Disney doesn't put out a separate cd for each of the parks. I would bet that a certain percentage of the kind of park visitor who would want an audio souvenir like this would buy one for each of the parks. Think of the money that could be made if they would just put a little more thought into this product.
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... I think there is one important thing we have to learn regarding the importance of making money: while it is the ultimate goal way above customer satisfication for Michael Eisner and his team it is NOT the ultimate goal for low- and mid-level management who want to climb the career-ramp up.
For these guys the important thing is: it must look as if they improve profits, it must look as if they make more money or more profit with the same or less expenses. It doesn't matter if it actually works if the problems don't occur in very, very short term. Because: thanks to their great presentations of their great money making models these managers are already promoted when the problem occurs. This means: they are no longer in charge of their own old problematic projects / decisions and therefor other guys get to take the blame.
The result of this disastrous system Michael Eisner has fostered in TWDC: a management incappable of guaranteeing the long term existence of the company. Yes, I'm not speaking of success of the company but existence - with the current management decisions I think it is a question of time, till corporate raiders will get interested again, so all Michael Eisner did in his time as CEO in the end was buying some time for TWDC.
But to come back to the main subject here, music: I think the manager who is responsible for / in charge of the new OA at WDW will get an easy promotion or at least lots of praise for this new release: for sure it will garner the usual sales number at the resort (as their is a certain number of guests interested) as long as total guest numbers do not fall for a longer period (in this case he can blame the department responsible for getting tourist to the parks in the first place for his bad sales - and for once might be right as the low attendance would hurt his sales).
He didn't have to spend money on getting new tracks for the CD (as he just took tracks already released by the resort at the WDW Forever system - while last years manager totally unnecessary wasted money to get the rights to release new music like the theme song of the 100 years celebration; excerpts from his sales pitch: "I saved all this money my predecessor wasted to get the rights for this theme song - and it was wasted as my data clearly showed that we didn't sell a significant number of additional OAs compared to the prior years!").
Oh and he can give such a pitch too boosting his image: "see last year my predecessor spend X$ to produce the OA - I was able to reduce this by Y$ just by cutting out the second CD. Believe me: we asked customers and most of them didn't even notice that it was a 2-CD-set, so this was wasted money. So in the end we will make more profits even if we don't rise the OA's price and we don't sell more OAs!!"
:'(
Well ... that was another nasty rant but if they come up with new products like this - what should one expect how fans react ???
Yours
Dirk
For these guys the important thing is: it must look as if they improve profits, it must look as if they make more money or more profit with the same or less expenses. It doesn't matter if it actually works if the problems don't occur in very, very short term. Because: thanks to their great presentations of their great money making models these managers are already promoted when the problem occurs. This means: they are no longer in charge of their own old problematic projects / decisions and therefor other guys get to take the blame.
The result of this disastrous system Michael Eisner has fostered in TWDC: a management incappable of guaranteeing the long term existence of the company. Yes, I'm not speaking of success of the company but existence - with the current management decisions I think it is a question of time, till corporate raiders will get interested again, so all Michael Eisner did in his time as CEO in the end was buying some time for TWDC.
But to come back to the main subject here, music: I think the manager who is responsible for / in charge of the new OA at WDW will get an easy promotion or at least lots of praise for this new release: for sure it will garner the usual sales number at the resort (as their is a certain number of guests interested) as long as total guest numbers do not fall for a longer period (in this case he can blame the department responsible for getting tourist to the parks in the first place for his bad sales - and for once might be right as the low attendance would hurt his sales).
He didn't have to spend money on getting new tracks for the CD (as he just took tracks already released by the resort at the WDW Forever system - while last years manager totally unnecessary wasted money to get the rights to release new music like the theme song of the 100 years celebration; excerpts from his sales pitch: "I saved all this money my predecessor wasted to get the rights for this theme song - and it was wasted as my data clearly showed that we didn't sell a significant number of additional OAs compared to the prior years!").
Oh and he can give such a pitch too boosting his image: "see last year my predecessor spend X$ to produce the OA - I was able to reduce this by Y$ just by cutting out the second CD. Believe me: we asked customers and most of them didn't even notice that it was a 2-CD-set, so this was wasted money. So in the end we will make more profits even if we don't rise the OA's price and we don't sell more OAs!!"
:'(
Well ... that was another nasty rant but if they come up with new products like this - what should one expect how fans react ???
Yours
Dirk
Steve LeVine
Member
Somehow I doubt that if 25 of us on this board do not buy the CD that disney will even notice. I have to believe the majority of the CDs are bought by people visiting the park that are in a buying mood. If nobody bought it they would probably just stop making it before they would put the stuff we want on the CDs
Mike Frezon
Member
I gotta agree with Steve on this one. I doubt what we do really matters to anyone any more.
But, I also don't see why even us obsessive-compulsives would want to buy this dog-of-a-cd. Ab-so-lute-ly nothing new!
Anyway, I've just wasted $20 on the Princess Sing-Along CD and Jungle Book 2 OST. I think maybe I've just about had enough!
Maybe Mike is starting to grow up--kinda like Wendy in Peter Pan. :'(
But I am on the verge of becoming a "Plunk"! ;D
But, I also don't see why even us obsessive-compulsives would want to buy this dog-of-a-cd. Ab-so-lute-ly nothing new!
Anyway, I've just wasted $20 on the Princess Sing-Along CD and Jungle Book 2 OST. I think maybe I've just about had enough!
Maybe Mike is starting to grow up--kinda like Wendy in Peter Pan. :'(
But I am on the verge of becoming a "Plunk"! ;D
You know, as I was visiting the parks last week I overheard a couple contemplating purchasing the Illuminations/Tapestry of Dreams CD. I quickly chimed in:
Z?rp: Oh, that's an excellent CD. I have that one already and I love it!
Guest: Does this have the music from all of the countries on it?
Z?rp: No, this CD focuses on the nighttime fireworks display over the lagoon and a now defunct parade.
Guest: Well, they must make something like that, right? I mean, people would WANT to purchase music that helped remind them of their vacations.
Z?rp: Well, there is an Official Album for the entire Resort complex featuring music from all of the parks.
Guest: We aren't visiting the other parks, so we probably wouldn't appreciate those tracks... we were hoping to find some music to remind us of our day at Epcot.
Z?rp: Make sure you tell them that at Guest Relations on your way out the door. I wish they would do the same...
There is obviously some desire of this from the guests. An Epcot album would be great, with the standard fare Golden Dream / Impreesions / Canada tracks, with a selection from the other country's background music OR music from their attractions (El Rio and Maelstrom) and THEN Illuminations to round out the CD (toss out Tapestry since they have decided to discontinue Dreams for this marketing season).
WAKE UP DISNEY! YOU CAN'T GET MANY PEOPLE INTO THE PARKS, BUT YOU CAN MAKE MONEY OFF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE PARKS!
Z?rp: Oh, that's an excellent CD. I have that one already and I love it!
Guest: Does this have the music from all of the countries on it?
Z?rp: No, this CD focuses on the nighttime fireworks display over the lagoon and a now defunct parade.
Guest: Well, they must make something like that, right? I mean, people would WANT to purchase music that helped remind them of their vacations.
Z?rp: Well, there is an Official Album for the entire Resort complex featuring music from all of the parks.
Guest: We aren't visiting the other parks, so we probably wouldn't appreciate those tracks... we were hoping to find some music to remind us of our day at Epcot.
Z?rp: Make sure you tell them that at Guest Relations on your way out the door. I wish they would do the same...
There is obviously some desire of this from the guests. An Epcot album would be great, with the standard fare Golden Dream / Impreesions / Canada tracks, with a selection from the other country's background music OR music from their attractions (El Rio and Maelstrom) and THEN Illuminations to round out the CD (toss out Tapestry since they have decided to discontinue Dreams for this marketing season).
WAKE UP DISNEY! YOU CAN'T GET MANY PEOPLE INTO THE PARKS, BUT YOU CAN MAKE MONEY OFF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE PARKS!
Steve LeVine
Member
I agree with you on junk like the princess CD but I thought your post was referring to the new WDW cd.