The Wonderful World of David Oneal
- Thread starter FRAN?OIS
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You're giving the guy too much credit...or not enough credit. He hasn't developed a DRM system (for stuff that does not even belong to him). It's much simpler than that. Read his ad again. "We are constantly adding new material." Seed the library with a couple hundred tracks...then add a dozen "new tracks" every month...and hope the suckers keep coming back for more.
Tell me that after Disney (remember, even Disney cannot secure or afford to secure some of this stuff) and/or the RIAA decides to go after the guy and he is facing a "bargain settlement" of $1.2 million for the half-dozen tracks named in the suit.
DisneyFanatic001
Member
Well, maybe not.
If you go to the home page and just listen to the playlist, it will automatically download the mp3 file to your Temporary Internet File folder. So you can get all of the files for nothing!
Horizons
Playlist Author
Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)
1025 F ST NW, 10th Floor
Washington, DC 20004
800-BAD-BEAT
http://www.riaa.com/reportpiracy.php
The Walt Disney Company
Corporate Legal/Antipiracy Group
500 South Buena Vista Street
Burbank, CA 91521
818-560-3300
tips@disneyantipiracy.com
See Disneyvero on eBay for information about what Disney Enterprises is willing to go after (e.g., your camcorder recording of Festival of the Lion King).
This is true. His player puts entire mp3 files into your cache. The few that I have looked at are all encoded at 128kbps. The question, then, is how many files does he have in his little player's playlist? If the entire library is there...or if he frequently refreshes the playlist with new selections...there would certainly be no reason to cough up $19/month.If you go to the home page and just listen to the playlist, it will automatically download the mp3 file to your Temporary Internet File folder. So you can get all of the files for nothing!
daliseurat
Member
Or just use downloadhelper for Firefox - saves looking through the temp.Internet folders.Well, maybe not.
If you go to the home page and just listen to the playlist, it will automatically download the mp3 file to your Temporary Internet File folder. So you can get all of the files for nothing!
That's only (presumably) the playlist not the list of available downloads though and they are not that fantastic. Peoplemover's OK though.
Blowed if I'm paying him that much
Do you have to pay to find out what they have listed for actual downloads or is there some "general" listing of what they have available?
I'm not a great fan of "pay up now and if you don't like what we have, tough" sites.
daliseurat
Member
I really have no problem with people who put together DVD's of their home videos from the parks. I have no problem with people selling them. If Disney isn't going to release a statement similar to the Disneyvero one specifically saying that you can't sell your home video of stuff from the parks, then by all means people should go for it. Disney certainly doesn't put together videos that WE WOULD ALL BUY IF THEY EXISTED. But if they want to mix in music from CD's or other video they don't own, then no, you shouldn't be selling those unless you have permission. And for most of these the whole FAIR USE argument won't hold water at all.I wish there was a way to view the library list, to see if any of my recordings are available.
As suspected, Almandot, there is a (recurring) monthly fee of $19.99 to listen to the stream. This guy doesn't do anything unless he can charge for it.
How does the community feel about those individuals who sell their home videos for profit? Since Disney doesn't seem to care about any of this, perhaps I should start capitalizing on my hobby.
If I don't like people selling these, I don't buy them.
I do buy EAC's documentaries. Even though they contain stuff that is not owned by EAC. The majority of their docs are interviews and footage they own. But many, many others are appalled by everything Dave and the EAC does. I recently got the TOY STORY MANIA one. I was dismayed to see that it was actually Disney produced video (I think) and MAYBE one bit shot by EAC. Not sure how he got the material, or if he has permission (doubtful) but I wouldn't have bought it if I had known.
And you know, Horizons, I bet lots of folks WOULD be interested in your home videos. I just can't imagine you selling them.
Consider it an oversight. I can guarantee you that sales of camcorder recordings of theme park attractions and shows would also be a big no-no. The attractions and shows are comprised of copyrighted characters, scripts, music, etc.
DisneyFanatic001
Member
almandot
Member
My reference to it being a possible streaming site is if he gives you a downloadable .m3u, .pls, etc file that then just connects to a stream so that he doesn't have to give you any actual audio files . Like I said I don't know if that's what he does or if he gives you the actual mp3 files to download. Either way, the $19.99/month basically invalidates what I said anyways.
. Like I said I don't know if that's what he does or if he gives you the actual mp3 files to download. Either way, the $19.99/month basically invalidates what I said anyways.
Gurgitoy2
Active Member
"The best part about this offer, is that our new audio site grows all the time... We are constantly adding new material to the site all the time."
Uh, huh...you mean you've got somebody downloading all they can from Rodentsections or other file sharing sites, and then they are "added" to your site, right, Dave?
The annoying thing, which many of you have pointed out, is that he just doesn't care where these things come from or who put the hard work in. People buying from him just assume he got it from WDI or some other insider, and probably have no idea where he really got the files. The documentary stuff is the only good stuff he produces, in my opinion. Everything else is him gaining from the hard work of others.
Uh, huh...you mean you've got somebody downloading all they can from Rodentsections or other file sharing sites, and then they are "added" to your site, right, Dave?
The annoying thing, which many of you have pointed out, is that he just doesn't care where these things come from or who put the hard work in. People buying from him just assume he got it from WDI or some other insider, and probably have no idea where he really got the files. The documentary stuff is the only good stuff he produces, in my opinion. Everything else is him gaining from the hard work of others.
Horizons
Playlist Author
I guess it wasn't clear from my post, but I wasn't suggesting that I wanted to sell home videos. In fact, I rarely take any video in the parks, unless my kids are in it. I was referring to those who actually sell their home videos for profit, here as an example. I was curious what others thought of this practice.
almandot
Member
Jeff Lange and RU42 are the only well known people doing it. There are others on ebay of course though. Not something I do but it's their own video so that's up to them. I go the route of just posting my videos in their largest resolution on Rodentsections. If Martin's not going to charge for the work he does I couldn't feel justified selling the ones I make. Torrent downloads weren't always available of course and before that it was usually only smaller sized videos getting posted on sites, and that sort've gave rise to the notion of selling DVD-quality copies of the videos to get a better copy. But now it's possible to post DVD+ quality on a site with general ease.