The Wonderful World of David Oneal

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Joseph

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Re: Dave O'Neal's New Book

Just so I'm clear, nobody on this board has a problem with Mr. O'Neal selling documentary videos of Disneyland attractions, bios of Imagineers and such; it's just the selling of old TV shows and audio files that Disney has the copyright on, is that correct? If he devoted must of the money he makes on the sale of the videos toward the cost of new documentaries, as I think he claims, would that satisfy his critics about where the money goes? His "real job" is a film and TV editor, so I think the proceeds from the club are supposed to go back into making new material.
 
makeminemusic

makeminemusic

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Re: Dave O'Neal's New Book

Bill said:
Wow...I go away for the weekend...
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William......what hath thou wrought!! ;)

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stevek

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Re: Extinct Attractions Question

X-S Tech said:
Methinks no park woud care what he does as long as he's not selling copyrighted material that he doesn't own.
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Yet they just announced they are selling a Club 33 cd and I still wonder why Disney continues to ignore this.

https://01508f4.netsolstores.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=220

It would be interesting to hear Randy's take on this....unless I've missed it posted in another thread.

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lilgerm

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Re: Extinct Attractions Question

I am convinced now that Disney IS in silent partnership with him to cash in on material that is roaming around the internet for free and that they cannot package and let him do the dirty work....


Far fetched??

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X-S Tech

X-S Tech

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Re: Extinct Attractions Question

Nowadays I'm beginning to wonder.

I have never bought one of his DVDs from Extinct attractions directly, though I did purchase a used Peoplemover/Ford Magic Skyway DVD on ebay from another seller. That one was actually pretty informative. THe ridethru's really didn't do anything for me, but the interviews and the documentary were decent enough. Also the supplementary films like the stuff Ford made to promote the fair were nice (though of course probably not totally legal). I just recently borrowed the CircleVision Story and the If YOu had Wings DVD. I think the If You Had Wings one is the one I hear people complain about so often, probably because it's so high on so many peoples interest list, but there's simply not enough good material publiclly available to make this disc. Granted, the production values are still crummy and it really comes off as something produced by someone who doesn't  have more than the slightest familiarity with the subject, but if there had just been better source material to draw from it would have been worth it. Glad I didn't pay for that one though.

The Circle Vision Story? What a joke. The documentary is like a whopping 7-8 minutes. I remember reading several stories about Circle Vision that aren't included, vital stuff to the development of the whole process. This documentary is like a second graders report on CircleVision. Haven't watched the supplementary feautres on this disc yet. Again, another one I'm glad I didn't buy and if I had I'd definately demand my money back. And not hold my breath till I get it.

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Bill

The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

[Start of merged topic 3601 "The Wonderful World of Dave Oneal" dated 08 April 2008 - 04:44 PM to 19 April 2008 - 06:42 PM —Admin]

So there's a post on Rodentsections from a guy who says he talked to Dave once and that Dave said all his CD tracks are directly from WID (sic) and that he can pretty much just take what he wants.

If this recount is true, then we know for SURE that Dave is a liar.  Or perhaps he DOES get his tracks directly from a WID.(Women in Dryers?) 
 
X-S Tech

X-S Tech

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Re: The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

Bill said:
... and that Dave said all his CD tracks are directly from WID (sic) and that he can pretty much just take what he wants.
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I'm thinking of making this quote my signature. It's certainly the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

If it was true it would seem that WDI has an unusually large amount of live and otherwise crappy files in their sound library ;)
 
almandot

almandot

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Re: The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

well dave told me personally that he's been sued like 7 or 8 times but nowadays most of his videos are on the shelves of archivists and imagineer friends of his. that's likely the reason they leave him alone.

a dumb reason for sure but... well, a dumb reason ;)
 
X-S Tech

X-S Tech

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Re: The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

I love the idea that Disney is this big single entity and supposedly if an Imagineer has some of Dave's dvd's they can somehow keep Legal from getting on his case. Someone also posted that Disney has started supporting Dave by providing better quality material and perhaps reaping a small percentage of his profits for looking the other way- like Disney would risk the financial implications of doing that to get a small percentage of Dave Oneal's small time operation. It's not only Disney that the copyright protects, it's the various artists, musicians and techs who worked on the various films he's illegally distributing who are losing out. Disney couldn't possibly just say "Here use this footage, it's fine with us".
 
Gurgitoy2

Gurgitoy2

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Re: The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

You know, I'm VERY curious what Randy's take on this is...considering he's trying to get as much stuff out to us legally. I agree that just because you've got friends in imagineering who have your DVD's on their shelves doesn't absolve you. Please, half the time, or probably even more, imagineering can't even communicate with the other parts of the company, and vice versa. I'm sure if legal really got involved they would put a stop to it. I mean if Disney will go after a daycare center for using images of it's characters (and not charging for them), then why Dave O'neal squeaks by is beyond me!
 
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daliseurat

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Re: The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

Bill said:
So there's a post on Rodentsections from a guy who says he talked to Dave once and that Dave said all his CD tracks are directly from WID (sic) and that he can pretty much just take what he wants.

If this recount is true, then we know for SURE that Dave is a liar. Or perhaps he DOES get his tracks directly from a WID.(Women in Dryers?)
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Well, the WID mistake might not be Dave. It might be the poster's. Which kind of kills the joke. And, he sure has gotten tracks from the internet. Anyone who's ever looked at his track listing can tell that. Perhaps he DOES get tracks from WDI these days, but not always. I've talked to Dave a few times. He does claim to have an amazing amount of access to stuff we'd love to see and listen to just once. He does have access to all kinds of great people. And he's got great stories. But none of this really answers once and for all, where he does get stuff and why he's allowed to sell it. I actually pointed out to Dave that Disney was now selling a TREASURES DVD that had stuff on it he was selling. He claimed he wasn't aware of it, but that it didn't matter. He could still sell his. He thanked me for my concern, and said things between him and Disney were all good. Perplexing. I wonder what Randy thinks? I don't think he's ever chimed in.
 
Magic Music

Magic Music

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Re: The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

daliseurat said:
He claimed he wasn't aware of it, but that it didn't matter. He could still sell his. He thanked me for my concern, and said things between him and Disney were all good.
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Yeah, right. :)

From one of my posts in the [post=22704]Why spend $25...when you can get it for $15!!?[/post] thread:

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You can report movie/television show piracy to the MPAA:

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daliseurat

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Re: The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

Only if it's swamp land. :)

I don't really believe that all the copyrighted audio and video Dave sells he got from WDI with permission to sell. I don't believe he got most of it from from WDI either.

I post what he told me. Doesn't mean it's true, doesn't mean I believe him.

I would like to know why he seems to be able to do it without consequence as well.
 
Gurgitoy2

Gurgitoy2

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Re: The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

daliseurat said:
I don't really believe that all the copyrighted audio and video Dave sells he got from WDI with permission to sell. I don't believe he got most of it from from WDI either.
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Especially since, it seems, Randy has to go through hoops just to get this stuff released legally. I can't imagine WDI would realistically say, "Sure, come on in and browse. Feel free to take anything you like and sell it". They are usually so protective of their stuff...I really have a hard time believing he gets any really good stuff from WDI...especially looking at his "track lists" for the CD's he has for sale. Even other fan publications like "E Ticket" magazine hasn't really breached the subject of selling unauthorized material. Dave O'neal seems pretty brazen about it, as if 7 or 8 lawsuits are something to brush off...
 
X-S Tech

X-S Tech

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Re: The Wonderful World of Dave O'Neal

He may have been sued 7 or 8 times but I doubt any of those were Disney- While some people have been known to defeat Disney in court, I'm sure Disney doesn't bother suing without a strong case and an excellent chance of success. If they go after somebody once that person is probably lucky to be heard from again, much less 7 or 8 times. But if you're gonna lie, lie big I guess.
 
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