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hauntdmansn

New Member
"but it's not commercially available so it's okay" When you buy an old record in a used record shop, or you find a copy of a hard to find, and oop lp at the good will or at a garage sale, none of the money you pay for it goes to the Disney company. A point that I would like to make is that these places that I just mentioned are the only place that you will find vintage Disney albums. Does that make them "commercially" avaliable? ???
I dont think that it is possible for me to show Disney a "thing or two". I don't agree.
I decided to delete my blog.
 
Dude, you tend to take things way too personal. You don't need to delete your blog. It's neat seeing old album covers. Maybe just don't make the whole album available for download. Lower quality samples would probably be totally fine.

Your idea is a great one, but if some of us bring up legal concerns or critique a release, don't go pouting and running away with your tail between your legs. You're not going to get sympathy from a bunch of Internet users, so don't let us offend you in the first place.
 

eyore

DLRP explorer
Playlist Author
One thing I would point out is that, technically, nothing is illegal until ruled so by a court.
Anything other than a court ruling is personal opinion (even if it IS pretty obvious and common sense should tell you that it is).
Sharing anything published is illegal without permission but it's up to the copyright holder whether to enforce their rights under a copyright or not.
Many don't bother as the stuff is old, unwanted, unlikely to be used again etc.
It's usually finance that dictates what they wish to enforce.

Now who was it that said "always let your conscience be your guide"?

Regarding Disney trawling the net, we often get news reports over here in the UK of various sites being closed down for copyright infringement and even ice cream carts being told to remove their pictures of Mickey and Donald. We are told that Disney (and other firms) employ people to protect their copyrights by doing this (Disney is reported as the most active).
The reasons given are that if Disney allowed the use of their copyright material (without permission) without enforcing their copyright, over time it could become accepted as in the "public domain" and they could lose the copyright altogether.
May just be some anti-USA hype but that's what appears on the news over here.
I don't have any Disney contacts to check this with, however (unlike some here). ;D
 

Gurgitoy2

Active Member
"One thing I would point out is that, technically, nothing is illegal until ruled so by a court.
Anything other than a court ruling is personal opinion (even if it IS pretty obvious and common sense should tell you that it is)."

That may be technically true, but a person is taking a gamble on whether or not they will be prosecuted. If there are laws on the books, no matter how grey they might be, there is still a risk.

"Regarding Disney trawling the net, we often get news reports over here in the UK of various sites being closed down for copyright infringement and even ice cream carts being told to remove their pictures of Mickey and Donald. We are told that Disney (and other firms) employ people to protect their copyrights by doing this (Disney is reported as the most active).
The reasons given are that if Disney allowed the use of their copyright material (without permission) without enforcing their copyright, over time it could become accepted as in the "public domain" and they could lose the copyright altogether.
May just be some anti-USA hype but that's what appears on the news over here.
I don't have any Disney contacts to check this with, however (unlike some here)."

I think this is true in the US as well. However, I think it is the more blatant misuse of famous characters. If someone has Mickey, Donald, Goofy, Tigger, etc. plastered on something not licensed, they are being pretty obvious about it. With records, it's not as clear cut. The person is not making a profit on it. Although maybe a daycare center might not be making a profit off of the Disney characters, they are using them to promote an image...and if there are any practices that come to light that don't match the Disney image...there is trouble.

We've had stories here about said daycare centers using Disney characters, stores, etc. Recently there was a crackdown on costumed characters for children's birthday parties. Most of them are not licensed, so they try to skirt around any copyright issues by altering the characters slightly to get by. It's still not enough. So, companies, (Disney included) are getting tough with them because their images are being tarnished by these low-rent costumes and performers.

I remember one instance in high school. There was a liquor store near the school that was called "Mickey Mart" and had Mickey's image in the logo. I don't need to point out what that could do to Disney's image...so in a few months the sign was changed and Mickey was dropped. Somebody noticed and obviously did something about it.
 
There was a liquor store near the school that was called "Mickey Mart" and had Mickey's image in the logo. I don't need to point out what that could do to Disney's image...so in a few months the sign was changed and Mickey was dropped. Somebody noticed and obviously did something about it.

"Mickey Mart"?.........Didn't they move to Epcot World Showcase as part of Food and Wine Festival ;)
 

eyore

DLRP explorer
Playlist Author
Ben, I agree entirely with what you say.
It IS a case of making one's own decision as to the possibility of prosecution.
The reason I posted was really to say that to use the words legal and illegal is often not the best choice of words.
Copyright laws are there to protect the author of a work and, as such, cover nearly every eventuality.

I look at some of the sites like someone setting up a little cabin on a patch of land.
They are trespassing but it may be that the landowner doesn't mind them being there (for now) as long as they behave themselves even though they haven't asked permission first. It's still illegal.
In the case of Disney, there is one site out there making CDs for sale (without permission) yet Disney buys or, at least, gets copies from them for their own archives as they no longer have the stuff.
I daresay with one sweep of their hand they could shut them down but they tolerate them.
That also goes for several other sites who don't sell anything but make things available and who Disney knows are there.
Maybe we should say these things are "illegal but tolerated" rather than trying to use words to justify actions and make them seem 100% legal?
Most of these sites agree that, one word from Disney, they'd shut down.
Most enhance the view of Disney, give positive publicity and urge the purchase of available material and often refuse to offer anything that IS available.
Most of them also adhere to Disney standards - as you say, a great cause for concern to the Disney company.
So, no, not legal, no, not approved of officially but tolerated and permitted to remain.
Hopefully, for some time to come.
 

hauntdmansn

New Member
I was just going to post fluppy dogs too! ;D
Dude, you tend to take things way too personal. You don't need to delete your blog. It's neat seeing old album covers. Maybe just don't make the whole album available for download. Lower quality samples would probably be totally fine.

Your idea is a great one, but if some of us bring up legal concerns or critique a release, don't go pouting and running away with your tail between your legs. You're not going to get sympathy from a bunch of Internet users, so don't let us offend you in the first place.
Nice! :-
I never want my blog to become an example whats legal or not. It was my personal rule when I started that blog.
Im sure that new Miley Cyrus album is great, right! ;)
You guys are all great! I am honored to be here!
I will be still sharing but at a different blog www.childrensrecordsandmore.blogspot.com. Almost all my posts are there already and any that are not will be there soon.
 

eyore

DLRP explorer
Playlist Author
Bill, as usual, you have managed to condense it all into one, very clear post and brought a good sense of reason to the discussion (well, apart from the fluppy dog pictures).
I do hope that blog stays up.
It's a great archive of otherwise lost and overlooked Disney material.
 
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