The Official Albums for 2008!

Gurgitoy2

Active Member
Also, it's not like I have to shell out the $25 on a regular basis. Once every year or two isn't going to kill me. Sure, as a fan who has most of this stuff already, I hate getting repeats, but I will support the effort. I don't care about what the artists get, because, frankly, I have no idea how much $$ goes to them from the OA's anyway. I do think Disney is overcharging for a 2-disc set, but hey, that's Disney for you. Since you can't get the OA's any other way, it's the only option. So, at this point, I will keep paying the $$ to get official releases of any park music.
 
I'm sure there is a perfectly good reason why the track hasn't been updated; most likely because of licensing issues. I'm sure if Randy was able to put an updated medley on there he would. One thing we sure of however is that they aren't keeping it off for purposes of ripping you off. Let's be happy with what we've got.

I'm not saying there isn't a perfectly good reason the Pirates track wasn't updated (though I'd like to hear that reason here, perhaps). I'm just saying I'm disappointed 1) because other than the subs track on the DL OA, the Pirates attraction- having been significantly modified in recent years- is arguably the most deserving of an update on this OA (not that Randy didn't try- I'm just saying it's a disappointment). And 2) The Pirates track on this OA is technically outdated and no longer accurately represents the attraction.

Couple this with the outrageous price of the 2-disc set filled with 90% previously released material, and my frustration shouldn't be so tough to understand.

And don't forget, no one is forcing you to buy the album. No one. You don't "have" to spend your 25 bucks if you don't want to. Simple as that.

I never implied that I feel forced to buy the album. And it's not really "simple as that." Do I want to be completist or not, do I really want that subs track or not? Do I feel buying the album is supporting the OA institution or would not buying it be my little way of protesting the way these are released? Something I have to decide, but don't reduce it to "nobody's forcing you to buy it."
 
To be honest, the ?Yo Ho (A Pirates Life for Me) track still represents the attraction. All the cues used within the track still play - ?Pirate Overture?, ?Scare Me Music?, and ?Yo Ho?. It was never my intent for this to be considered a ride-thru. We?ve always considered it to be an extension of the song.

For the record, so to speak, I?ve tried to include the new Cave Cue. To place it in sequence (after Pirate Overture and before Scare Me), the cue sounds out of place. Though it is still the ?Yo Ho? theme, it?s at a much slower tempo, it?s not using totally organic instruments, and it?s stereo (where all the original attraction score is mono). This is one of the cases where it works in the attraction, but doesn?t work as a stand-alone musical piece within the track. There is just no way to transition musically from one cue to another and back with out it sounding like it was just glaringly stuck in. I?ve made several test edits, and we just can?t make it work musically to where it flows. If I were to do a ride thru, like I did on the Disneyland set, I?d have more time within the track for transitions and possibly include the drops to help mask the transition. I?ve even considered including it as a separate track, but that turns out to be an option I don?t have. Now if I could update the dedicated attraction CD, without question I would include it as a bonus track at the very least.

As for the Battle Scene, outside of the transition and sonic texture contrast problems similar to the Cave Cue (different orchestra texture, arrangement, and stereo), there are issues surrounding rights to include it as ?part of a medley with other works? ? this track is from the film soundtrack (though some think it was re-recorded for the attraction). It?s doubtful that if I was given the opportunity to build a complete ride-thru that I would be able to use it even then (just like Barbossa and Sparrow but for different reasons). Legal rights are different when it is considered ?atmosphere? than when it is included on an item for sale ? let alone part of a ?medley?. These rights are also different in other territories which is why it was included on the recent Japanese CD, I believe.

I know that many of you feel that the awkward transitions don?t bother you and that ?if it?s that way in the attraction?? that?s the way you want it. I do understand. Believe me, I really, really do. And if I were documenting this attraction for history, I would do a lot of things differently. But ultimately, this is a song album and musicality must come first.

Please understand that I didn?t write this to change anybody?s opinion and I don?t expect anyone to agree with the decision. I just wanted to let you know why some decisions are made and what circumstances influenced these decisions.

For me, this is the best use of this type of forum. Though we may not always get the answers we want, at least there is an opportunity for you to hear WHY something was done (or not done). Next week, I?ll see if I can address why ?Big Blue World? was edited mid-verse. So, see you then! ? Same Bat-time! Same Bat-channel!


Randy


PS ? I really appreciate the fact that you assumed that there was a reason (the good or bad is for you to decide) for ?Pirates? and ?Big Blue World? as opposed to saying that I?m a useless hack who needs to die a thousand deaths. It?s a nice change from the other discussion forums.
 

almandot

Member
I'm sorry I tried reading that but all i could hear was "blablabla i'm a useless hack and smell funny"

=)

thanks for the reply randy
 
Thanks, Randy. Your explanation makes a lot of sense. Especially now that I consider that the OA track, not being a ridethrough, puts musicality first. Thanks for the timely and detailed explanation. This is what sets this particular forum way apart from the rest.

I might have to break down and order that Japan CD, though. I'm guessing the vocals are in Japanese, but the music is the same.
 

Horizons

Playlist Author
Yes, part of it is in Japanese, and that particular piece of music doesn't play long. Still, nice to have in the collection.

EDIT: Actually, most of it is in English.
 

WDWGuy08

Member
does anyone know why there has been no score from mission: space by composer trevor rabin released on any disney cd?


also, i kindly request that the execs consider releasing a CD next year of theme park music by composer bruce broughton. being that it will be the 20th anniversary since bruce broughton started scoring for disney parks.
 

dkrfla

Member
does anyone know why there has been no score from mission: space by composer trevor rabin released on any disney cd?

also, i kindly request that the execs consider releasing a CD next year of theme park music by composer bruce broughton. being that it will be the 20th anniversary since bruce broughton started scoring for disney parks.

I believe that you have "kindly" requested this a bajillion times in some form or another. Not to sound cynical or to squash a mans dreams but it may be time to consider the distinct possibilty that despite your admirable persistence you may in fact be beating the proverbial dead horse.

With Warmest Regards
Dusty
 
On MISSION SPACE - Somethings are just out of reach at times. Doesn't mean things will stay that way, but it doesn't mean things will change either. Sorry for the 'Fortune Cookie' answer, but that's the best I can do at the moment. Hope you understand. I walk a fine line here on the boards. There are just some things that I can't get too deeply into discussing. Not for any covert weirdness, or Mickey's big fist - but common business ethics.
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I know you have a slight fondness for Bruce Broughton's theme park works, and I know that your a film score buff. But I noticed that you rarely mention his film work - even on Intrada's site (the one of the great independent labels preserving the legacy of films scores) where Bruce has enjoyed a number of his scores being released.

I first noticed Mr. Broughton with "The Young Sherlock Holmes", and then again with "Silverado". A few years later, I was re-introduced to him again with "The Rescuers Down Under". That opening title is incredible! That slow build up, the percussion. I enjoy that track so much I included it on the "75 Years of Music and Memories" set I did in 1998 for The Disney Stores (it was that set that prompted me to first post on this forum way back then). That was the only score track ever included on a Disney "Greatest Hits" Compilation.

But I have to say, that I think my favorite Broughton score is "Homeward Bound". The delicate woodwinds, that 'homespun' feel. He has that Aaron Copeland 'Americana' emotion without the contemporary abstract structure. The lilting strings and woods to the brash 'Saber Dance' like chase. I just really enjoy it. If you haven't listed to it yet, I highly recommend it.

As for a disc celebrating 20 years of his contributions - Well, I think you know in your heart of hearts what that answer is. I wish it could happen. But I think what would serve Mr. Broughton best, is for us to listen to his entire body of work ourselves and use this 20th anniversary to appreciate the Artist and all that he has done.

Randy Thornton
 

GarrettJD

New Member
But I have to say, that I think my favorite Broughton score is "Homeward Bound". The delicate woodwinds, that 'homespun' feel. He has that Aaron Copeland 'Americana' emotion without the contemporary abstract structure. The lilting strings and woods to the brash 'Saber Dance' like chase. I just really enjoy it. If you haven't listed to it yet, I highly recommend it.

Randy Thornton

Homeward Bound is my favorite Broughton score, too, followed by The Rescuers Down Under.

Can't wait to get my copy of the new OA.
 

tcsnwhite

Member
I do hope that one day more people in charge can get behind these things and realize that people like me are paying $20 for essentially 2 new tracks and that maybe a parade release wouldn't be a horrible thing. (p.s. Randy if you ever wanna butt your nose into whoever's in charge of the new DL parade and see if they were considering a cd release for it feel free ;). Same for pixar play ;) )

I'm definitely with you on this. I hope the DLR and WDI-CE folks make it work out this time with Disneyland's next parade. At least have everything lined up, payed for, and set properly and legally this time for a cd release to even be possible if WDR and merchandising think about doing it. Please Disneyland Resort, get with it...have to give it up big time to Walt Disney World, for they are getting better and better at releasing parade and show music, or at least having things set for that to happen as a possibility (at least with most of their main parade/show music). C'mon Disneyland...

Interesting how fireworks presentations make it out there...but not parades. :-
 
To be honest, the ?Yo Ho (A Pirates Life for Me) track still represents the attraction. All the cues used within the track still play - ?Pirate Overture?, ?Scare Me Music?, and ?Yo Ho?. It was never my intent for this to be considered a ride-thru. We?ve always considered it to be an extension of the song.

For the record, so to speak, I?ve tried to include the new Cave Cue. To place it in sequence (after Pirate Overture and before Scare Me), the cue sounds out of place. Though it is still the ?Yo Ho? theme, it?s at a much slower tempo, it?s not using totally organic instruments, and it?s stereo (where all the original attraction score is mono). This is one of the cases where it works in the attraction, but doesn?t work as a stand-alone musical piece within the track. There is just no way to transition musically from one cue to another and back with out it sounding like it was just glaringly stuck in. I?ve made several test edits, and we just can?t make it work musically to where it flows. If I were to do a ride thru, like I did on the Disneyland set, I?d have more time within the track for transitions and possibly include the drops to help mask the transition. I?ve even considered including it as a separate track, but that turns out to be an option I don?t have. Now if I could update the dedicated attraction CD, without question I would include it as a bonus track at the very least.

As for the Battle Scene, outside of the transition and sonic texture contrast problems similar to the Cave Cue (different orchestra texture, arrangement, and stereo), there are issues surrounding rights to include it as ?part of a medley with other works? ? this track is from the film soundtrack (though some think it was re-recorded for the attraction). It?s doubtful that if I was given the opportunity to build a complete ride-thru that I would be able to use it even then (just like Barbossa and Sparrow but for different reasons). Legal rights are different when it is considered ?atmosphere? than when it is included on an item for sale ? let alone part of a ?medley?. These rights are also different in other territories which is why it was included on the recent Japanese CD, I believe.

I know that many of you feel that the awkward transitions don?t bother you and that ?if it?s that way in the attraction?? that?s the way you want it. I do understand. Believe me, I really, really do. And if I were documenting this attraction for history, I would do a lot of things differently. But ultimately, this is a song album and musicality must come first.

Please understand that I didn?t write this to change anybody?s opinion and I don?t expect anyone to agree with the decision. I just wanted to let you know why some decisions are made and what circumstances influenced these decisions.

For me, this is the best use of this type of forum. Though we may not always get the answers we want, at least there is an opportunity for you to hear WHY something was done (or not done). Next week, I?ll see if I can address why ?Big Blue World? was edited mid-verse. So, see you then! ? Same Bat-time! Same Bat-channel!


Randy


PS ? I really appreciate the fact that you assumed that there was a reason (the good or bad is for you to decide) for ?Pirates? and ?Big Blue World? as opposed to saying that I?m a useless hack who needs to die a thousand deaths. It?s a nice change from the other discussion forums.

And here in writing is one of the many reasons we love Randy. He actually gives us information in a manner that we can understand and appreciate. Whoever calls Randy a useless hack is a moron.
 

X-S Tech

Active Member
Specifically around the time of the 50th anniversary DL CD set, some of the comments got "not very nice". Anticipation for that set was so high, partly due to Randy giving us tracklists and stuff ahead of time to wet our whistle. But if memory serves he didn't post much once the set was out, kinda dropped off the radar, and a few people were pretty vocal about how the set wasn't done "the way they'd do it". I got the impression that they figured he wasn't present to be insulted so they were pretty brutal with thier comments.
 

Gurgitoy2

Active Member
does anyone know why there has been no score from mission: space by composer trevor rabin released on any disney cd?


also, i kindly request that the execs consider releasing a CD next year of theme park music by composer bruce broughton. being that it will be the 20th anniversary since bruce broughton started scoring for disney parks.

Why isn't there an emoticon on here that's smacking it's forehead? The best I could find is an eye roll... x-)
 

Gurgitoy2

Active Member
Specifically around the time of the 50th anniversary DL CD set, some of the comments got "not very nice". Anticipation for that set was so high, partly due to Randy giving us tracklists and stuff ahead of time to wet our whistle. But if memory serves he didn't post much once the set was out, kinda dropped off the radar, and a few people were pretty vocal about how the set wasn't done "the way they'd do it". I got the impression that they figured he wasn't present to be insulted so they were pretty brutal with thier comments.

Hmm....I don't recall anyone being very brutal, or making personal attacks. I do recall people not liking the way certain tracks were mixed, or some of the echo on things, attractions that weren't represented, etc. It was more about Randy's choices, not that he was a "hack". The thing about this forum that I appreciate is things never get truly negative or abusive....(despite my jabbing post above, LOL). This place is a haven compared to other discussion forums!
 

X-S Tech

Active Member
You're right Ben, the complaints were about his choices, but they weren't nearly as polite. I don't know if the word hack ever came up but that was the implication.
 
And here in writing is one of the many reasons we love Randy. He actually gives us information in a manner that we can understand and appreciate. Whoever calls Randy a useless hack is a moron.

I totally agree.

Actually, I think that anyone who calls anyone who works at Disney (whether it be Randy, the Imagineers, artists, voice actors, most of the executives, etc.) hacks, dummies or whatever are morons who, IMO, have little or no real appreciation for the hard work that they do, even if they don't turn out to be the way they wanted them to turn out.

This forum is most certainly a refreshing change of pace from all those other overly-negative Disney sites out there, which I just can't stand.
 
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