Why doesn't anyone use CD Protection methods?


X-S Tech

Active Member
With the exception of CD's from Japan, I haven't seen anybody making their CD's uncopy-able. OK I know that there are ways around these technological barriers but they would discourage some people. Is it simply a matter of "Well we can't stop everyone so we won't try to stop anyone"?

Of course my CD collection is mostly limited to Soundtracks and Disney stuff so for all I know the rest of the recording industry could be using such methods and I wouldn't know.
 

narkspud

Member
The way I understand it, it's more a matter of "we're scared all these crazy Americans will sue us." Copyguarded CDs cause problems in computers, especially Macs running OS-X, where the wrong combo of copyguard and disc drive can literally result in a fire. Some of them don't work in some DVD players, or some cheap portables. Then there are all the people who want punitive damages just because they can't use their disc as they see fit.

The discs themselves don't conform to the Compact Disc standard, so the lawyers have pretty good ground to stand on.

Oh, and they all work by deliberately introducing incorrect data into the digital stream, so audiophiles hate them too.

Incidentally, the right combo of Mac OS-*9* and disc drive (like a Yamaha CRW-F1) rips them without so much as a hiccup.
 

SharonKurland

Active Member
Hubby and I are "making the switch" and buying Macs this fall/winter so thanks for the heads up, Bill.

Any other Disney Cds I need to NOT put into my computer, off the top of your head?

-Sharon-
 

1313

Member
My 2.7 cents:

Typical hard drive failure owes little or nothing to the choice of operating system. Data recovery is a multi-million dollar industry for good reason: if one uses a hard drive, it will eventually fail. Just under 50% of all data loss is caused by hardware failure. As disk storage capacity increases and prices drop, quality issues are bound to crop up.

I've owned Apple-produced computers exclusively since 1977 and have never had a drive fail. I am, however, prepared for that eventuality by having important (to me, anyway) data backed up... although I've never practiced a general backup regimen.

I'm certain that I've just been lucky and that my choice of operating system and computer manufacturer has nothing to do with my success rate. (Knock on wood.)

I own several protected CDs (including the "iasw" disc Bill mentioned) and haven't experienced problems with them on any of our Macs running OS X. I've cloned many as non-protected discs just so they'd play in our cars without balking.

Go figure...


1313?
 

Dr. Know

Member
I, too, am a long-time Apple computer owner... My first was an Apple II, and I have owned at least 6 different models over the years. I have also never experienced a hard-drive failure on any of my Macs, and the copy-protected Tokyo cds play just fine on my iMac OS 10.3.5.

Bill just has bad karma.
 

SharonKurland

Active Member
Those 4 little words make SUCH a funny for me now. Anyone see Avenue Q?

Trekkie Monster: YOU have NO idea.
The internet is for porn!
The internet is for porn!
Just grab your **** and double-click
For porn, porn, porn!

hehehehe

-Sharon-
 

narkspud

Member
Hubby and I are "making the switch" and buying Macs this fall/winter so thanks for the heads up, Bill.

Any other Disney Cds I need to NOT put into my computer, off the top of your head?

-Sharon-
The copyguarded AVEX releases say "copy control CD" on the disc.

I don't think they could ever crash your hard drive. The worst I've heard them doing is to send your CD-ROM drive into infinite spin and cold-freeze the OS, with the only fix being to use the paperclip trick to get the disc out of the drive, then restarting. It's folks who don't know about the paperclip trick, and leave the drive spinning for hours and hours, that end up with "issues."

Sounds like the newer OS-X versions (or maybe the newer Superdrives) have the problem solved.
 

Eric

Member
Copyright-software has been in limited use in the US mainly because it costs too much with licensing. The record labels have finally come to the conclusion that they save more money in licensing fees if they don't enable useless technology that somebody is going to be able to hack anyway and upload, defeating the purpose. Even simply mp3 software like WinAmp was able to disable any cd-copyright software.

As of now, only certain labels use it; EMI uses it in Australian and Canadian Releases and Universal uses it with German releases but that's about it.
 

shicorp

New Member
Interestingly, my copy-protected CDs from Sony and BMG do not play in CD players, but can be ripped from my CD-ROM drive. So, I have to copy the CD before I can listen to it. Makes just perfect sense...
 

popkid

New Member
Am I the only one who:

1. buys a cd
2. rips it to mp3 player
3. puts CD away in collection and RARELY takes it out

Copy protection definately throws a monkey-wrench in my music listening preference. Guess it's a question of fair use, huh? I dunno - I'm probably one of the biggest offenders of fair use, so I should just shut my mouth now :)
 

tcsnwhite

Member
Hello there,

I have ordered some cds from tokyo disneyland and they say copy protected on the cd. But, I put in my dvd-rom drive and was able to rip the songs right off with no problems whatsoever. Are their cds really copy-protected? I don't think so.

tcsnwhite
 

BLM07

Member
I rip my CDs to Monkey's Audio (popular lossless format) and put the CD away so it can stay in good condition. Personally, its annoying to switch CDs all the time anyway.
 

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