NEW Hall of Presidents w/ Obama
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I plan on seeing a few shows tomorrow. Did you notice if the lobby music was changed, or whether they added load music?
Eric Paddon
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Royal Dano hasn't been the voice of Lincoln at the HOP since 1993, so if they've just kept the Lincoln speech from 93-08 that's Pete Renoudet doing a not very good Royal Dano imitation and delivering a speech that is a poor substitute for the original one.
And "Battle Hymn" is out? Gee, I guess it's too politically incorrect to use music that's identified as a hymn nowadays.
Eric Paddon
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I'm glad to hear that Dano's voice is back in the attraction, but that's only a half glass of water from my standpoint, because the Gettysburg Address is a speech meant for its specific time and place, and does not have the longstanding timelessness that the original speech from the HOP program did, which is *specifically* the reason why the Gettysburg Address was not included in the original "Great Moments" attraction.
Is Dano's voice from the old HOP film used in the new presentation, during the Lincoln-Douglas debates or the moving "Without a Union, the Constitution is just a piece of paper" part? Or are those sequences out of the new presentation? I'd be a lot happier to know those parts with his performance were back in.
Is Dano's voice from the old HOP film used in the new presentation, during the Lincoln-Douglas debates or the moving "Without a Union, the Constitution is just a piece of paper" part? Or are those sequences out of the new presentation? I'd be a lot happier to know those parts with his performance were back in.
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The lobby music appears to be the same, but more investigation is needed. I wasn't able to listen very long.
There is now a nice piece of load/unload music playing.
Eric;
The new film is very nice, and although it is not as great as the original version of the show, it is a totally different creature. I'd rather see something so different from the original version of the show as to be nearly totally unrelated than just another half-assed version of the 1971 version. It is indeed Dano's performance of the Gettysburg Address, and Disney wisely kept his spoken preamble to the Civil War intact, although they dropped the opening line "Without union, the constitution is only a sheet of paper". His speech begins with "I know there is a God, and that he hates injustice and slavery." There's nearly no other Lincoln content in the show. I think the bit about the Constitution was dropped due to the fact that the show is no longer about that document.
The loss of the Battle Hymn is unfortunate, but I understand and support the reasons for dropping it; doing so sort of moves the show out of the Civil War era it was haunting and into the current. I think dropping Iwerks' beautiful flag dawn sky effect in favor of some iffy CGI and then a full blown digital video of a billowing flag is really much more unfortunate. But the good things about the new show really outweigh the bad things; it's five minutes longer than the 1993 show and three minutes longer than the 1971 version. How often does Disney actually give you *more attraction* these days instead of less?
The new film is very nice, and although it is not as great as the original version of the show, it is a totally different creature. I'd rather see something so different from the original version of the show as to be nearly totally unrelated than just another half-assed version of the 1971 version. It is indeed Dano's performance of the Gettysburg Address, and Disney wisely kept his spoken preamble to the Civil War intact, although they dropped the opening line "Without union, the constitution is only a sheet of paper". His speech begins with "I know there is a God, and that he hates injustice and slavery." There's nearly no other Lincoln content in the show. I think the bit about the Constitution was dropped due to the fact that the show is no longer about that document.
The loss of the Battle Hymn is unfortunate, but I understand and support the reasons for dropping it; doing so sort of moves the show out of the Civil War era it was haunting and into the current. I think dropping Iwerks' beautiful flag dawn sky effect in favor of some iffy CGI and then a full blown digital video of a billowing flag is really much more unfortunate. But the good things about the new show really outweigh the bad things; it's five minutes longer than the 1993 show and three minutes longer than the 1971 version. How often does Disney actually give you *more attraction* these days instead of less?
Eric Paddon
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It strikes me as odd though, that "Battle Hymn Of The Republic" could be dropped on the grounds that it moves the show out of the Civil War, yet to have Lincoln recite the Gettysburg Address if anything puts it *more* back in it, than "Battle Hymn" ever did. The Address is a speech that is totally meant for the time it took place in, and it does not have the kind of timelessness the original Lincoln speech did (the less said about the 93 one, the better).
Then again, if I just had the reassurance that the people responsible for the 93 show (specifically Eric Foner, who is to put it bluntly a Marxist historian) weren't responsible for the content of this program, I'd probably view it with a lot less trepidation over all.
Then again, if I just had the reassurance that the people responsible for the 93 show (specifically Eric Foner, who is to put it bluntly a Marxist historian) weren't responsible for the content of this program, I'd probably view it with a lot less trepidation over all.
Marko
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That sounds very nice. Hopefully Joel Mcneely's score is released on the next albums.
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I believe it's all new music. You'd better get on it....