Cinderella's Golden Carousel area music playlist

wedroy1923

wedroy1923

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Hello All:

I had some questions regarding the music for Cinderella's Golden Carousel at the Magic Kingdom and am hoping someone here can provide answers or point me in the right direction:

Does anyone know when the current music was installed? I am assuming sometime in the early 1990s. And does anyone have a verified playlist for the current music?

I found a couple youtube videos, someone's home movies from 1987, and it seems that the old Disneyland Fantasyland Band Organ tracks played at Cinderella's Golden Carousel during the 1980s. The videos can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEboajNhdqY - beginning at the 7.00 mark, you can hear the "Mickey and Friends" track followed by the "Silly Symphony" track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRtF0OSdUTM - this one contains the "Pinocchio" track, I believe.

Does this mean there were three different versions of the Cinderella's Golden Carousel music?

The current version, using the WDWF tracks; a 1980s version, using the Fantasyland Band Organ tracks; and an earlier, opening-day version?

Any information is appreciated, as always!

Best,
wedroy1923
 
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Prof. Emelius

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Re: Cinderella's Golden Carousel question

I think that originally in the 50s and 60s a live band organ played at the Disneyland carousel, and I believe I read somewhere that the original band organ was sent to Tokyo Disneyland where it still is in operation today. Can anyone confirm this? I could be mixing my facts.
 
almandot

almandot

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Re: Cinderella's Golden Carousel question

I thought the organ was still sitting in disneyland's carousel unused and possibly broken.
 
Horizons

Horizons

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Re: Cinderella's Golden Carousel question

The Carousel is back up and running. I plan on going to the MK on Saturday so I'll try and get a reference recording for you. There are no ground level speakers that I am aware of, so it may be noisy, depending on the crowd levels (which I assume will be on the high end).
 
wedroy1923

wedroy1923

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Re: Cinderella's Golden Carousel question

Based on a live reference recording provided by Horizons, here is an actual playlist for the current Cinderella's Golden Carousel area music:

When You Wish Upon a Star
Alice in Wonderland
Heigh-Ho
Chim Chim Cher-ee
Be Our Guest
So This is Love
Hi-Diddle-Dee-Dee
Colors of the Wind
Bella Notte
I'm Wishing
Whole New World
The Work Song
Once Upon a Dream
Part of Your World
Whistle While You Work
Second Star to the Right
Give a Little Whistle
Baby Mine
Hakuna Matata
You Can Fly
A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes
Prince Ali
Gaston
Someday My Prince Will Come
I Wonder
Feed the Birds

approx run time: 64.40

Thanks again to Horizons for providing a recording!
 
Horizons

Horizons

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Could you tell from the live recording whether the first song in the loop is When You Wish Upon a Star?

I haven't compared the recording yet, but were all of the tracks in the loop available on WDWF?
 
SeaCastle

SeaCastle

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I have all of the 26 songs on there, so they're probably all available.

I'll make my own BGM loop. This is the WDW Magic Kingdom one, correct.
 
wedroy1923

wedroy1923

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Horizons: I chose to start with When You Wish Upon a Star. I detected no actual "break" in the reference recording you provided.

X-S Tech: Yeah, the fades in the WDWF tracks make the task of putting together a reconstruction from those tracks impossible.
 
SeaCastle

SeaCastle

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Isn't that natural, though? Plus, only the last seconds fade out, but can't that be fixed?

I also thought of the logistics of it, because there is a loading/unloading time..
 
X-S Tech

X-S Tech

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No the WDWForever tracks have a nice gradual fade, much more than just a second. Don't know if that can really be corrected without totally amping up the hiss also.
 
Horizons

Horizons

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Isn't that natural, though? Plus, only the last seconds fade out, but can't that be fixed?

I also thought of the logistics of it, because there is a loading/unloading time..
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Also, there is no loading or unloading time. The loop continuously plays, even as the guests board and exit the attraction.

As was stated above, it's impossible to reconstruct the loop from the WDWF tracks given the fades (assuming you are a nut like the rest of us).
 
wedroy1923

wedroy1923

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Since Colors of the Wind is included in the loop, I would assume the loop was installed around 1994 / 1995.

But then I wonder, if these tracks were used at Disneyland Paris, what did DLP use prior to 1995?
 
X-S Tech

X-S Tech

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I can't contribute any definitive info, but I was always told that the music that played at DL and WDW after 1991 was recorded for DLP. I had not heard of any additions to this loop, until 2005 when I noticed that DL's loop had suddenly been updated. The logical assumption was that the loop had been composed for HKDL, which had just opened. I don't know what songs are contained in this loop or if WDW plays it as well. Sorry. I assume the live recording everyone is referring to was just recorded recently?
 
X-S Tech

X-S Tech

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You know I never actually checked, I just assumed that it was a new loop, when i noticed new songs. The King Arthurs Carousel track on the DL 50th set was part of this new loop also. I distinctly remember tunes from Toy Story being played as well. Sorry Bill, I probably shouldn't have spoken with much authourity about this. I firmly believe that for years the DL and WDW carousel's loops originated in DLP, I just don't have any facts to back it up.
 
Gurgitoy2

Gurgitoy2

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"*As for Disneyland Hong Kong...do they even HAVE a carousel?! Half a carousel?! Maybe someone can verify whether or not it plays the "standard" loop or if it is unique?"

LOL, they do have a carousel..one of the few things they do have in Fantasyland...

Anyway, from what I understand, you guys are correct in that the current DL loop is used (and was created) for HKDL. Like many things at HKDL, there is the appearance of authenticity, but mostly everything is manufactured new; like the "steam" trains.
 
Gurgitoy2

Gurgitoy2

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" NOTE: In reading the book which accompanied the 50th set, there is a reference to the Fantasyland refurbishment saying: "While music coordinator George Wilkins set about devising three-minute medleys for the Dumbo area's new band organ, it fell to John Debney to create the musical material for the Fantasyland dark rides." Now...this contradicts what we'd previously learned about the Dumbo band organ being original to the ride. However, it does solve the issue of whether or not the Fantasyland Band Organ track that we know preceded the New Fantasyland...according to this source...it didn't. Wedroy sent me a picture of the Fantasyland band organ and honestly, it's something I've never seen depicted in photos, postcards, books, etc. prior to the New Fantasyland. Though I don't have all of them, the first appearance of it on a map that I can find is on the 1984 map. Can anyone verify it's existence in DL prior to 1983?"

This makes sense. I don't think Dumbo ever had a band organ prior to 1983. All the photos I've ever seen of it show it to be surrounded by fence and not really any area for one. It was pretty much in the middle of walkway. Now that it's nestled in the back where there is room to put the organ, I think it is likely that it showed up for the 1983 makeover.

Actually, I was just looking at two books last night. "Disneyland, the First Quarter Century", and "Disneyland, the First Thirty Years". Now, they are pretty much identical books, but I was specifically looking to see if the differences in Fantasylands were in the books. they were, but very little. However, I did notice the photos of the Dumbo attraction, and even in the 1983 version it was over water. It's just that the mechanism looked like the old one, just moved and put over water. The more elaborate DLP version came later, of course, but it does look like the water feature was there since 1983. Also, I looked at some pictures of the old Dumbo, and did not notice any band organ.
 
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