Anyone Having Problems Ripping the World's Fair CDs?


TomTO

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Shannon Cassul @ Amazon said:
If you regularly rip your purchased CDs to your iPod, or listen to CDs on your computer or PS3, be aware that the DRM scheme employed on this CD renders it unplayable on computers or any other device that is capable of ripping the tracks, unless you have robust DRM-busting software installed.

I would have given this set 5 stars, as the material is beautifully presented and otherwise well worth owning, but the DRM scheme diminishes its value. This is damaged goods from the outset, and Disney should be ashamed of themselves for punishing only the innocent, while anyone with the know-how can very easily get around the copy protection.

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The above quote was submitted as a review for the set on Amazon.com. Has anyone else had this issue? I have successfully loaded all five discs onto my iMac, iPod Touch and Apple TV.

Regards,

Tom
 

Gurgitoy2

Active Member
Hmm...yeah, I have had problems, but I thought it was my CD drive conking out. I'll have to test it, but honestly, it was rather annoying because I wasn't able to rip all of the CDs successfully.
 

eyore

DLRP explorer
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Possibly I have never tried to tip a CD with the modern DRM as I haven't had a problem either (but haven't tried those particular ones) but can't you just record to PC in real time via a cable from a CD player?
Bit bothersome but it should work.
At least you get to hear the CDs while you copy :D
 

almandot

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I ripped it without issue as well. And if I recall correctly, Randy has previously taken a stand against attempts to put DRM on his releases.
 

Gurgitoy2

Active Member
So, I tested my CD drive last night with a bunch of other CDs, and unfortunately I've found that it is indeed the World's Fair set that is the problem, not my drive. I'm really bummed about that because I don't know how to rip it effectively. Every other CD I put in burns in rapid speed and there are no problems whatsoever. However, when I put in any of the World's Fair discs, they cause my drive to skip, or stall, and then stop importing whatever track it was on. It's very annoying....and I have no idea what a solution is.

It's possible that it's because it's an older CD drive, and maybe the DRM just confuses older ones because they don't have a workaround. I'm guessing maybe newer drives are better about bypassing DRM...
 
I had no problems. Used WMA and ripped when I initially put the disc in. Put the originals back in case and only listen to ripped version.
 

almandot

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If you're serious about your music, you need to rip your CDs with either Exact Audio Copy or dBpoweramp. I greatly prefer the latter, myself, but it's not free.

dBpoweramp costs $36.00 and it is worth every penny. :wub:

Mac users can run both programs in Boot Camp, or concurrently with Mac OS X inside of VMware Fusion or Parallels.
What's the big difference between using one of those and ripping it into iTunes with error checking enabled? :p
 

eyore

DLRP explorer
Premium Member
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You may, of course, just have a bad set. I take it that all the discs behave the same.
I do have some CDs and DVDs that are rather particular about which player/computer they will play on.
It's getting more common now that I buy a CD or DVD (true, they are usually the cheaper editions and re-issues) that I have to record elsewhere and reburn them myself to play them (I have 2 CD drives on my PC and if one has problems, the other one doesn't - usually - and it varies which does what so the drives are fine).
Some CD drives just don't like certain brands of disc and just won't read them properly.
Nero toolkit - info tool (get a free trial copy of Nero if you don't have it) will tell you what make of disc it is and you could see if you have others of the same brand that do play.
The skipping and stalling certainly sounds more like a general reading problem rather that DRM-caused but, as I said, I haven't had any problems with DRM stuff.
See if they can be read by another PC?
If it is the DRM and your CD drive, it's not going to rip with anything as it can't be read properly in the first place.
I'd try my suggestion of using a CD player that does play it and wiring the headphone socket to your PC (say, line in) and record directly from the soundcard. Old fashioned but it works and should bypass any DRM.
Anyway, keep us informed.
 

Gurgitoy2

Active Member
What program are you using to rip it? Try another one?
I'm using iTunes, as that's the program I use most. I'm creating lossless versions with error correction. I am serious about my music, but not nearly as informed or resourceful as Jay seems to be, LOL.

I will have to try other disc drives. I've only tried them in my PC and my ordinary CD players. I didn't think about the line-in solution though. I should have, as I used to do that with cassettes, and the older TDR CDs with DRM. I have to dig out my old line-in cable.
 

Magic Music

Administrator
Playlist Author
I'm guessing maybe newer drives are better about bypassing DRM...
Walt Disney Records does not use DRM on their CDs.

Like what?
Visit the EAC and dBpoweramp websites and read up on what you're missing. Correction for drive read offsets, elimination of jitter artifacts, re-reading of audio sectors up to 82 times to reduce/eliminate errors, AccurateRip support, PerfectMeta data, etc., etc.

I'm using iTunes, as that's the program I use most. I'm creating lossless versions with error correction.
I play my music with iTunes, in Apple Lossless format, but I wouldn't trust iTunes to do the ripping. No way, no how.

I have to dig out my old line-in cable.
Before you accept a horrible compromise like that, I would talk to a friend who might have had better luck ripping those tracks than you did. Likewise for the Tokyo Disneyland CDs that you own. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?
 

almandot

Member
I wasn't kidding I don't know how much comparable difference it really is. When it comes to compression and just using the standard ripping without error correction I'm sure there's a giant different but in general when ripping to lossless and with error correction, according to a few(not many just a few) google searches it seems to not be any notable difference in end quality...

Get us some graphs! :wub:
 

Magic Music

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When it comes to compression...
Compression has nothing to do with the reading of audio sectors on a CD.

when ripping to lossless...
Again, lossy/lossless for your resulting music files has nothing to do with the actual reading of audio information from a CD.

...and with error correction
iTune's error correction does very little. iTunes does nothing to compensate for a drive's read offset, or to eliminate jitter artifacts, nor will it re-read individual audio sectors over and over and over again to make sure it is getting accurate results. If iTunes had AccurateRip support, it could compare your results with a database of others who have ripped the same CD, but it does not, so you're basically in the dark as to whether you've got an accurate rip or not.

Get us some graphs! :wub:
They're out there. In addition to visiting the EAC and dBpoweramp websites, I suggest anyone who is interested in how to get the best rips, and how to go about creating the best lossy/lossless music files, spend a lifetime or two over on the Hydrogenaudio Forums.
 

BLM07

Member
I ripped it with EAC, no problems. Sounds just fine for me. Used the offset correction and secure ripping.
 

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