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old pinocchio music

Discussion in 'Archive' started by musicrazy, Jun 19, 2002.

  1. musicrazy

    musicrazy Member

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    This is my first post in the new setup, though I havn't posted much here ever, I've been lurking for 3 years. (Even changed my username; what the heck?)

    To the point, I've discovered some unreleased pinocchio music, which is on sale on ebay (link below).
    which I never heard --The Monstro song. Does anyone know about this? The words or music? We need this music available. Anybody have any thoughts?
    Also there was some point made a while back that a song named I'm A Happy Go Lucky Fella was also cut from the pinocchio soundtrack, and is somewhere on Fun And Fancy Free. I don't own the film, so I don't know where it is found. Is this a myth?
    How many more unreleased songs can we hear from disney movies? What about the soundtracks released on that large box set from Japan about a year and a half ago. I want to hear them. Why are we so deprived? Does anyone out there care about these?
    I doubt I I'll get my answer at the prices this music can be found for. I hope someday we can all hear them!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...;item=885718107

    (The link to Monstro)
     
  2. Gurgitoy2

    Gurgitoy2 Active Member

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    That picture of Monstro the Whale looks a little too happy to me...

    I've never heard of the "Monstro" song before, but "I'm a Happy Go Lucky Fella" was indeed used in "Fun and Fancy Free". Jiminy Cricket sings it as a segue into "Bongo". It basically introduces Jiminy as the host, and sets the tone of the film.

    Also, about the other Disney demo recordings and unreleased music. Most of the stuff from that Japanese boxed set of 20 soundtracks can be found on the domestic laserdisc releases of the films. Especially Alice in Wonderland and Cinderella! Bambi might be the exception, but most of the material is availible in some way or another.
     
  3. Randy Thornton

    Randy Thornton Member

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    Releasing these type of demo recordings can sometimes be a rather sticky situation. In the case of Pinocchio for example, Disney does not own any of the songs (same is true for Snow White). Brief history: Walt gave his friend, Irving Berlin, the publishing rights to the songs and score to his films. Years later, Mr. Berlin sold his publishing empire to The Bourne Company. In the late forties and early fifties, Walt created his own publishing company and bought back the rights to most everything except Pinocchio, Snow White, and the worldwide rights to Dumbo. The Bourne Company now owns these rights and are very particular about what is used. I mean VERY particular ? particularly with material not used in the film (which they still own the rights to).

    Beyond that, most of these recordings are either performed by the composers themselves, are auditions, or actual cast. If the song was not used in the film, a truckload of legal issues can arise.

    I love these recordings! I try, for every soundtrack I restore, to include at least one demo. Sometimes I?m faced with a difficult decision ? If I add a demo, I will have to cut some of the score. I usually favor keeping the score (Lady and the Tramp and Alice are examples). But I still try to get this material out there. It?s really interesting for people like us, to imagine the creative process and hear some of the songs, though great in their own right, that were not used and to try and imagine why.

    About 9 or so years ago, I? managed to rescue the original Acetate Library where all these demo recordings survive. Though I have managed to get quite a few out there on the soundtracks, I?ve been able to help the folks who put out the Special Edition Laser Discs and the new DVDs by supplying them with what I cannot put out. So there is a avenue for these recordings, you just have to look really hard.

    Concerning the Disney Dreams boxed-set from Japan, I supplied them with a list of over 200 demos from the various films contained in the set. They chose about 25 ? mostly for Alice In Wonderland, and Cinderella. So there?s a little more there. The deluxe Laser Discs really have the most demos (Alice used all of them) and some of the re-releases on DVD will have at least some of the material from the Lasers.

    On two up-coming soundtrack restorations, I?ve managed to gather a few gems that I think you?ll enjoy. Look in the soundtrack section of your local record store around August 13th.

    Well, I hope that answers your question about the demos.
     
  4. SharonKurland

    SharonKurland Active Member

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    > Walt created his own publishing company and bought > back the rights to most everything except Pinocchio,
    > Snow White, and the worldwide rights to Dumbo. The > Bourne Company now owns these rights and are very > particular about what is used.

    Randy, about a year and a half ago, my then-fiance and I started to plan our wedding at WDW. We considered using WDW's then-brand-new video dep't and got a sample video from them...it included "When You Wish Upon A Star" as background music at the beginning and end of the video. We eventually decided to use WDW's video dep't to film our 2-23-02 wedding, but our video does not include that song...it's some light classical music instead. Could this because of the Bourne Company?

    -Sharon-
     
  5. musicrazy

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    hi gang
    Thanks for all the news. And another item I neglected to talk about in the first post was that I spotted the CD version of The Theme Park Sing-a-Long at the nearest K-Mart. It was in a blister pack contaning both the CD and cassette and a carry case for both. I did not purchase it then, and havn't seen it since.
    This might be good news for some who are awaiting it's debut on CD.
     
  6. Shane

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    I can't wait 'til August 13th, Randy! :D
     

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