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Is anyone else sick of Wayne Allwine?

Discussion in 'Archive' started by Bill, May 29, 2007.

  1. Bill

    Bill Guest

    In my neverending quest to be negative, I'm really over Wayne Allwine.

    I was listening to Bougilluminations...which I LOVE incidentally...except for Wayne. Mickey used to be a charming everyman. Now he's a squeaky queen. (Not unlike Russi Taylor doing Snow White as Minnie Mouse...single-handedly ruining Dreamlights) Listening to Walt on the Mickey Mouse Club DVDs really drove it home. Perhaps the time has come to pass the reigns to someone more authentic?

    Ohhh Boy! Huh huh! AllRIIIIIIIGHT! See ya REAL soon!
     
  2. almandot

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    That's not his fault you realize right? That's how they've chosen to make Mickey's character in everything. Tokyo Mickey is fun loving, happy hearted with the laugh of a small child. American Mickey is a gee golly bashful buddy and that's all they're doing with him. He reads the lines he's given.

    And shoot, they couldn't even edit together him saying "and now it's time to celebrate 15 magical years" properly for bougilluminations :p
     
  3. disneyphilip

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    Well, you should end your quest now. It's very bad for your health, bad for your mentality and can easily anger others.
     
  4. Zarpman

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    Go watch Mickey's Christmas Carol and you'll see how well Wayne performed the voice when he modeled it after the originals. He did a great job. Not too over the top like he's been in recent years.

    Mickey's always been my favorite character, but its getting increasingly harder to listen to him recently for any extended period of time. Its not just the words, but the ridiculous enthusiasm that he seems to have about darn near everything that makes him less of a identifiable personality.
     
  5. Gurgitoy2

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    Yeah, I have to say that after listening to so many CDs from Tokyo Disneyland, I prefer the Japanese Mickey and Minnie voices to the American ones. I think Wayne and Russi just go way too over the top with the characters now, and they are more annoying than cute. It is possible that it's the direction the characters are being taken, and not the voice artists, but still, they should have some control over that. It's almost like Mickey & Minnie are talking down to everyone and using baby talk...I know they're not, but it's just overly simplistic these days. Especially when you watch something like "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse" where that is exactly the intention. It just seems like that's the template for EVERYTHING...which is unfortunate.

    The Japanese voices do sound closer to the original intent though, and a bit more "humble" sounding...if that makes any sense. Now, the French versions are terrible (to my ear anyway), but, yeah, I'm probably ready for new voices for Mickey and Minnie in the US. Although that probably won't happen any time soon since Wayne and Russi are not that old.
     
  6. disneyphilip

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    Well...DON'T!!! IT'S NOT RIGHT! :mad:

    Staying on topic, I think that Wayne and Russi are still good at doing the voices of their respective characters and that a lot of you fans seem to be never satisfied and never happy.
     
  7. makeminemusic

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    Hmm...I am curious. It seems like you guys like the performance given by Wayne in "Mickey's Christmas Carol", which granted was a while ago, but was a full (well almost :D) feature film. Are you basing your current opinion on short lived parades, featurettes (sp?) and such? Do any of the Disney characters maintain true charactor in these type of venues?

    How about Fantasmic? I think he does a great job there.
     
  8. makeminemusic

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    Well said Bill, I can appreciate your concern. It sounds like you are satisfied in your mind that this is more than a case of bad storytelling, with Wayne and Russi having to try to make good with what they have been given to say. Maybe you are right and it is time for a change of guard ....But......on the other hand (with only 3 fingers and a thumb :D), Mickey has changed physically through the years and has been kept up to date with modern fashion, talk etc. To make a point, I have some early vinyl 78s of Jimmy McDonald as Mickey ( circa 1950s) and his personallity seems vastly different from the charactor in MMC you refer to (same time frame). In one Christmas record from that era, you can hear Minnie (not sure who the voice is) rip Donald Duck for just being Donald. It sounds harsh to listen to it now in these politically correct times, but it probably sounded fine back then. I would blame the difference on storytelling and media differences (film vs. record).

    So, which is it? Is the charactor change in Mickey due to Wayne's interpretation and presentation or is it (as you seem to infer with other characters) due to shoddy quick storytelling trying to get a bang out of famous cartoon characters? Or is it maybe both? :eek:
     
  9. X-S Tech

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    I've never really blamed Wayne Allwhine, but I certainly see how vapid Mickey's become. I think it's the writing though. Now he doesn't even get stories- he's simply the host of theme park shows and it's his job to stammer and act shy and introduce more interesting characters. My daughter watches Mickey Mouse Clubhouse most mornings and the way the characters have been marginalized is really sad. The CGI is the most offensive to me, as they've taken characters that were, after 80 years of evolution, the peak of animated perfetion, and made them into stiff, plastic puppets. Children's programming while perhaps more interactive, is horribly unsophisticated nowadays. I guess to my mind there's nothing like Mr Rogers and 1970's Sesame Street. Nowadays the big trend is for the characters on the show to hold a kids hand through some sort of problem solving story (Dora, Blue's Clues, Little Einsteins and Mickey Mouse Clubhouse). The characters don't just experience it, it's like their a School Teacher stopping every couple of steps asking "Now is everyone with us? Where should we go next? What was our clue again?". Not being a child development expert, it may be fine, but to me it smacks of patronization. But I guess everyone watching has to get it, even if some kids are capable of following a slightly more sophisticated format- no child left behind and all that. Either way, while Mickey Mouse Clubhouse keeps these Classic Characters relevant to today's youngster, I don't think the Mickey of Walt's day would even recognize himself on the Disney Channel show.

    What were we talking about? Oh yeah, Wayne Allwhine.... I like his Mickey. I think it has far more body than Jimmy MacDonald, and is just as good as Walt. Actually it sounds a good deal more natural than Walts' too. There are times when you could tell Walt was straining to reach a certain pitch. Bottom line- Mickey just needs better writers.
     
  10. disneyphilip

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    Well, I'll have you know that I like Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and it's a great and educational show.

    They do a pretty good job with it and the CG renderings of the characters look very true to the hand-drawn incarnations--a major improvement over CG renderings that they did of the mouse and his friends in "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas". I don't see them as "stiff, plastic puppets" at all.

    And Mickey has had pretty good writers in recent years. For instance: the people that wrote a lot of the various cartoons for Mickey Mouse Works and House of Mouse did a good job in attempting to revive Mickey's original 1930s personality (the mischievious trouble-making scamp).

    Let's not be too hard on all this, folks. Let's be thankful that our favorite mouse is still active and appearing in new projects rather than being put out to pasture like he was in the 1960s and 70s, before Mickey's Christmas Carol was made.
     
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    Bill, Harvey Fierstien does Mickey better than Jack Wagner.
     
  13. Horizons

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    You mean....the characters are not real?????
     
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    Why did I just look on the "Disney" channel? Why oh why? Mickey's Clubhouse was on...
     
  15. Greg Ehrbar

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    I don't think anyone who actually knows Wayne and Russi can deny the love and care they put into their performances. They don't come upon their characterizations -- or their responsibilties to such important characters -- lightly. It's more than a job. A lot of thought and varied attempts go into their work.

    Of course, I cannot be at every session and indeed there are very likely to be some directors and scripts that are better than others. And I also think that any creative professional would be the first to admit that some projects turn out better than others, in fact creative people are quite often their own worst critics. But the roles Wayne and Russi play are not mere voices to them -- they really "get it" and feel strongly about Disney, the way so many of you reading this also do.

    I was with Wayne in the studio when he worked on the "Mickey's Magical Workshop" film that was in The Walt Disney Story theater for the WDW 25th anniversary. He worked on each line over and over, added nuances and humor, and all the while Russi was there to add her many many years of experience to make suggestions. I couldn't believe how many times I found myself laughing at what he had added simply with inflections and timing. I've worked with them since then, too, and the experience is always like that. These are not treated as assembly line jobs by these professional, sincerely committed actors.

    By the way, if you go to the NFFC Convention in mid-July (www.nffc.org), you can see both of them on a voice actor panel. You can also watch their interview with Leonard Maltin on the Walt Disney Treasures DVD, "Mickey Mouse in Living Color, Volume Two."

    While Disney Character Voices always tries to match the replacement actors as closely as possible, whenever a new actor takes on a character they bring a somewhat different fell to it. It can't be helped and sometimes even adds a dimension never there before.

    As for Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, it follows the very popular format of children's show like Dora the Explorer but it worlds beyond it in execution. The most important thing about it, to me anyway, it that someone finally realized that Mickey's gentle, nice-guy personality was ideally suited to preschoolers, rather than trying in vain to make him hip and edgy to imitate other cable networks. Now generations can grow up with Mickey as a daily TV pal like we did with the Mickey Mouse Club (and let's face it, how much did we see Mickey actually DO on the Mickey Mouse Club?) Whether you like the show or not, at least kids can now see Mickey as more than a corporate symbol or a piece of merchandise in their young years. That's pretty powerful childhood stuff.

    Oh, and if you haven't already, you can see Walt doing Mickey in a VO session on an Easter egg hidden on the Mickey Mouse in Color Vol. 2 DVD:
    http://www.hiddendvdeastereggs.com/films/33044.html

    Whatever the opinion of Wayne and Russi's interpretations, I don't believe they could bring themselves to "phone in" their work. Walt WAS Mickey and a hard act to follow -- just look at his entire company without him! Jimmy McDonald's Mickey was warm and sweet but always struck me as Mister Moose-like. And I love Mister Moose.

    Please don't start a thread called, "Is anyone else sick of Mister Moose?"
     
  16. Steve Carras

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    Well, what do you expect (from Russi T.?) She was Strawberry Shortcake and probaly auditioned for Tiny Toons's Emyra before Cree Summer got the role... ;)
     
  17. Steve Carras

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    Oh.. Russi Taylor and Cree Summer are the poorman's Bernice Hansen. (Many thirties Hollywood shorts,including many for Warner Bros., Universal,Columbia,MGM AND Disney!)

    http://www.youtube.com.
    Type in "Let it be Me" (WB, Friz Freleng), one of Bing Crosby spoofs (I highly reverse the great talents of Bing but Iadmit those toonists went a tad too fgar sometime,s an understatement in his lawyers's eyes! still very funny), done in 1936, Bernice is ALL over those hens voices..sounding like a better version of the voices mentioned above.

    Who Bernice Hansen was other than a totally talented (if speciliast like the above in doing cute-pie voices) but totally obscure voice actor is a mystery to us animaiton circles,and is constantly an animation periodical and internet websites.
     

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