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ATIS Music Question - Randy? anyone?

Discussion in 'Archive' started by s8ntmark, Jan 2, 2005.

  1. s8ntmark

    s8ntmark Member

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    Hey Randy (Or anyone who might know), It occured to me that none of my copies of the Adventure thru Inner Space ride thrus are in stereo. Not the Preshow, nor the ride itself.

    Do you know if they were recorded in Stereo?

    Mysteries of the Atom is in stereo so it would make sense that the rest of the tracks would be too.

    I just think that a full stereo ride thru of ATIS would be amazing, Ive fallen in love with Buddy Bakers music for this attraction :D

    Are the tracks you guys are transfering for the 50th box set ride thru in stereo?
     
  2. atomobile

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    Hello,
    Here are your answers:
    The existing "Composite Mix" currently at Imagineering Sound Department elements are as following:
    They have the isolated pre-show music/fx cues in FULL stereo. Real stereo that bounces around like you wouldn't believe. They also have a complete composite of the pre-show also in true stero. The track that you are refering to "Mysteries of the Atom" was NEVER used in ATIS. I researched this for years and I was finally able to confirm this (through listening to many live recordings). I found out why a lot of people believe Mysteries to be connected to ATIS: First of all, this track was recorded (but not used) for the 64 world's fair for Progressland. It was later used in a 65 promo for the upcoming New Tomorrowland and used it when the narration starts on Inner Space all the way thru Space Mountain (which never came in 67). Because of this use, many people associated it with ATIS and when the Disneyland Forever system came to be, the people involved actually mixed this track in with the pre-show (since they were both 5 minutes long). People who have heard this new mix (never actually released on Forever) of course now associate Mysteries with ATIS. This was a mistake. Now moving on... They also have a composite ride-thru mix of the actual ride...in MONO. They actually tinkered with it to make it a slightly fake stereo, but it is mono. Same story with the exit song "Miracles from Molecules": MONO. Another interesting tidbit is that Miracles has a sound effect that ends the song and loops again. When that track was released on Forever, that short sfx was cut off. Other interesting ATIS tracks exists somewhere. There is a full Paul Frees early version of the narration as well as a couple demos of the Sherman Bros. song. There is also an alternate version of the exit music which mixes a different version of the song with comm chat and sfx. On top of all these tracks, there is also the 7" record release which has a differently edited version of Miracles (with some sfx and with no instrumental portion of the song) with the great B side "lounge" instrumental of Miracles. Of course they also have an isolated Paul Frees narration and the load and unload spiels. That's about it. The masters still exists, but not at Imagineering Sound Department. To achieve a new Ride-thru for the box set, Randy will have to dig (and pay $$$$$$$) to get the masters transfered from the vaults and hopefully they were recorded in Stereo so he can do a new and improved stereo ride-thru. Here's hoping....
    So back to your basic question: Mysteries (which is in stereo) was NOT used in ATIS. And hopefully Disney will want to pay big bucks to get the original masters transfered from the vaults for our listening pleasure. Any more ATIS questions, let me know. I've researched this attraction soundtrack for years...
    Your friend,
    Louis
     
  3. X-S Tech

    X-S Tech Active Member

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    Didn't Mysteries of the atom end up being used as underscore for one of Universe of Energy's preshows?
     
  4. BLM07

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    I don't understand why Disney makes people pay extra to get what they need from the vaults. Is this vault some super secret underground type of thing that no human touches? Why doesn't Disney allow someone trusted to get what they need to make a quality CD release? Does anything come out of the vault? What good is the vault if nobody can get anything out of it?
     
  5. X-S Tech

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    I think the expense is incurred in Disney getting the legal ability to release the tracks commercially, not in acquiring them from their own vault.
     
  6. atomobile

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    To answer the first question, yes, Mysteries of the Atom did end up getting used in the original Universe of Energy as the soundtrack to the film portion of the ride (not the pre-show film). And regarding the Vault: There are full time employees that work at the Vault and the money has to come out of somewhere. They don't work for free. There are MANY different Departments within Disney and each department pays each other for work done. This is the way it works in EVERY major studio or corporation. That is how the money is tracked down. The people who work at the Vaults have to do research (there are MASSIVE amounts of audio) and find the original masters which are not always labeled for easy identification. Then, an audio guy has to transfer these masters for Disney Records to use. In most cases, it is cheaper for WDR because they already own the masters to most of what they release, but in cases when new material is needed, it is a different story. That is why it is a pain in the buttocks to first get a finance guy to aprove of the expense, and they go on a wild hunt for the material. And that is not even counting the lawyer business. You then have to pay royalties and fees to the performers, composers, etc. In which case can be a pain because the original contracts made no mention of a public release. Most of the park music was recorded under a contract that only allows for the performances to be heard at the theme park itself. Thanks to Randy for making an effort in making sure future contracts allow for a public release!
    Your friend,
    Louis
     
  7. s8ntmark

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    So Atommobile, as far as you know, they haven't transfered the master tapes yet for the box set?
     
  8. atomobile

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    As far as I know... I believe they are still transfering stuff. This takes more than one session, you know. There have been some already and they might be finishing soon. They might be done as far as I know. I do know that they had already started....
    They would like to have it ready for the 05-05-05 date. We'll see if it can be done...
    Your friend,
    Louis

    PS: I believe they have lost the "pop-up" element to the CD/Book set. Maybe Randy can tell us more details when he can.
     
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    Teehee, exxxxxxcellent :D
     
  10. DL FLIGHT 295

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    regarding "Mysteries of the Atom" I was looking at some ATIS recording scripts and one date shows several months AFTER the attraction opened, a set for the tracking dialog at the preshow........so this was added after the grand opening.........but along with the dialog, it says the instrumental track & overhead dialog.then the date added. I'm at work right now so I don't have the dates....but I'll add to the post with the dates. So what was the instrumental music?.not the flip side of the Monsanto Promo record?? Thats' far to Jazzy for the seriousness of the overhead dialog.



    DL FLIGHT 295
     
  11. atomobile

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    Again,
    Mysteries of the Atom was not recorded nor used in the ATIS queue or anywhere in the attraction. I do have an update about ATIS though. A new ride-thru was just created for the box set. They went back and transfered all the isolated attraction music along with the isolated narration and isolated sound effects. I never realized there were so many isolated elements! All the music was originally recorded in STEREO!!!! Not only that, but many of the actual attraction music was layered with 2 separate (and unrelated) pieces of music playing at the same time. That finally solves the mystery as to why the music sounds so strange! It's because it's two separately composed pieces of music playing together! And all the separate elements were uncovered, restored, and remixed to make a new and TRUE stereo ride-thru experience.
    As far as DL FLIGHT 295's coment on the queue music, yes, there is instrumental music under there. There has always been. That track is also in stereo. It is mostly atmospheric sounds with the occational music cue. It is not an instrumental piece like Mysteries. I've already explained the confussion regarding that. Someone mixed that music in the queue during the old Disneyland Forever days and managed to confuse everyone to this day. As far as the Lounge sounding 7" B-side, that was never used in the attraction. Also, the A-side version of Miracles is actually a re-edited version of the track that played there. ALSO.... there was a post-show version of Miracles that was created but not used. This is what is known as the stop-and-go version of Miracles. The song is interrupted several times with some tracking dialog and sound effects. DL FLIGHT's description of the queue info he found sounds exactly like this unused post-show recording. You might be confusing this info.
    Any other questions?
    Your friend,
    Louis

    PS: I don't call myself Atomobile for nothing.
     
  12. X-S Tech

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    Wow. It sounds like this particular ride thru will be vastly different from the version that's leaked out. Not only will the sound quality be improved (something that's frequently lost on some of us, including myself) but whole sections of music will be drastically different. Sounds cool. Thanks atomobile.
     
  13. DL FLIGHT 295

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    Ok..well, just for general information:

    Adventure Thru Inner Space

    July 27, 1967 "Show Narration-Tape"

    October 31, 1967 "REVISED Prolouge-Tape , B.G. Instrumental music and tracking crew jargon"

    November 17. 1967 "Instruction-Tape REVISED"
    (loading/unloading)



    on a side note: does anyone know what exactly was PROGRESS HALL?? is that the corporate lounge that shared the upper level with Progress City? Whatever it was on April 13, 1967 it had a spiel..

    "Ladies and gentlemen: welcome to General Electric's new space exhibit. Here you can seee how man will benefit tomorrow from today's space technology"


    and, for all of you you have the Disneyland Forever Bell
    Small Fry phone spriels.those are not from 1967......but are from 1962 (1-12-62)


    DL FLIGHT 295
    aka
    DC-88 SPACELINER
     

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