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all this talk about 50th cd cd

Discussion in 'Archive' started by dizneydomenic, Feb 22, 2005.

  1. dizneydomenic

    dizneydomenic Member

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    first off....exciting, isnt it? we are all wondering just WHAT will be on the set......gotta love anticipation! obviously we wont get the copywrite/legal issue tracks ( captain eos songs would surprise me if they appeared)...for those of u interestedand havent heard......the "we are hear to change the world" song is off the michael jackson :ultimate collection(findable thru bittorent sites....its a 4 cd greatest hit collection). someone said they had a poor version of it....what i heard was a great stereo version. i agree that minimal pirates and mansion stuff should be on the collection....especially with those full cds still available. the gems would be a stereo country bear jamboree (still not available as of yet), a stereo mix of the soundtrack to america the beautiful, a true carousel of progress mix ( including the worlds fair tag at the end of last act., (it can be heard at end of the worlds fair live recording) ...and of course true stereo ride thrus of the fantasyland attractions.
     
  2. Robert Hollowood

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    You know, I couldn't disagree more here. While I'm happy with what the full RedDot cd's of the Mansion and Pirates attractions brought at the time, the sound quality - especially of the Mansion cd - is really flat. I mentioned this in a post a while back and another poster said, basically, that's what it sounds like in the attraction. That was true at the time, but now, with so many attractions having had their audio upgraded it's clear that there is a much wider dynamic range in the attraction recordings than is evident on the RedDot cds. I will be very happy to get new versions of the ride thrus (undoubtedly with the attractions' popularity they will be represented on the box set) that have a better sound quality and mix of the attractions' audio. Another thing is, by and large, I believe both of the RedDot ride thrus are actually TOO comprehensive with extended periods of time spent in areas of the attraction to let entire sound effects loops to play out. For example, you don't spend three full minutes in the hallway of the Mansion before you get to Leota. I'm looking forward to mixes that give the impression of the ride with important parts -spiels and music- left in, and sound effects loops kept in proper perspective. Just another speculative thought on what I'm hoping the set will be.
     
  3. CPNHOOK15

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    For what it's worth, here is my 2 cents.

    I don't know about the rest of you audiophiles, but I don't want or need, a perfect-THX surround sound-Digital Dolby-hair raising cuz it feels like I'm there - recording of anything. I couldn't tell you, and probably don't even care, what 'flat' sounds like. I also don't want a recording that consists of someone else's opinion of their 'impression of the ride', cuz to me that = an incomplete recording.

    Here is what I would like: A clear recording, free of hiss/scratch/background noise/skips. I want a non-live recording. I DO want a complete recording (even if that means a 25 minute version of a 9 minute ride).

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that I dont want space wasted on tracks we already have because that takes away space from the tracks we are all drooling to get our grubby little hands on. I don't think we need a perfect version of anything. I think 'merely' good is good enough.

    So please... put as short a version of HM and PoC on these discs as humanly possible (preferably the shortest track already released). Im aware that they need to be on there for the accountants to feel good about selling these cd's in the first place, but those RedDot cd's were more than good enough (when I'm president, my first action will be to make a law that says every ride needs a RedDot cd made for it, both past and present). Please spend time and money on other things (things we dont have a million versions of already) ... and I hope they are all the same quality as those RedDot cd's.

    I think we need to be careful what we ask for... cuz we might get it and probably at the cost of something we dont already have but REALLY want. We need to keep in mind that very few people are making these cd's a reality (may God bless the ground Mr. Thornton walks on) and with what seems like very little support. What this means is that time, money, and manpower are in short supply. I hope they spend every available resource on NEW audio, not old.

    So I have to respectfully disagree with Mr. Hollowood.

    Thoughts anyone?

    TimC
     
  4. Robert Hollowood

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    In my opinion it means with no high or low end to the recording. Comparison with the material as it exists on the more recent official albums reveals what a difference there is with proper usage of source material and the skill of the person using that material. That's why I look forward to Randy revisiting these on the box...because I think there was a considerable lack of original source material and skill in the making of the RedDot Mansion cd. The sound quality at the end of the ride thru track is particularly poor. To me it sounds like a bootleg. Bootlegs are great when the source material is completely unreleased. It is NOT so great to have bootleg quality on an official release. This is our chance to have it done properly.

    Even at that the RedDot CD's are just an impression...I don't think it's too much of a violation to be missing several minutes of repeating moans and screams from a sound effects loop as long as the spiel and music are present along with a representative amount of atmosphere effects.

    Even though this is a 6 cd box intended for fans like us, it's a release that is going through commerical channels since it's now going to be released in record stores across the country. With that, I'm not expecting the kind of completeness most of those here would yearn for. I don't expect we'll hear every spiel and song associated with rides and areas that are represented in the set. Hopefully, when the "Sounds of Disneyland" start appearing on the kiosks, we'll start getting some more of that. I *DO* expect because of the box set's commercial availability that the Mansion and Pirates material will be revisited and revised in a signifigant way because they are hallmark attractions of every Disney park in the world. I expect sound quality will be top notch, as Randy's projects are. With this in mind, it's appropriate to think that we'll get signifigant improvement in the material. I could be wrong as I don't have a line on this in any way. But, we have to face that these attractions are the parks' meat and potatoes and will be represented, as will Small World.

    Since Randy had little to nothing to do with the RedDot cd's, and is THE producer of quality Disney Parks material, I'm looking forward to his revisiting of the material.

    I fully agree here. That is why the RedDot cd for the Mansion is totally inadequate. There are many points throughout the recording where signifigant background noise and hiss are present. My main objection to the Haunted Mansion CD is the presence of (as best I can describe them) cue noises - bleeps - that often appear at the beginning or ending of Paul's narrations. They were (a silent) part of the attraction as these "bleeps" were cue sounds on magnetic tape loops throughout each area of the ride, but they should not be heard on the recording. And there are some places where it has bad edits and skips too late into Paul's parts. The sound in the crypt ending is too low, and is overrun with tape hiss. In fact, it sounds more like a live recording than something taken from a master of any kind in the crypt ending of the ride thru. The mix sounds like a rough draft - unfinished - like something you'd let the boss listen to so you could show how it was coming. It is not the sound of a finished product in my opinion.

    Also, I'd like some balance in the recording since it's mixed like a 60's record with some sounds appearing in the right and left channel independently. This should happen with directional effects, but the Ghost Host and Leota spiels should be centered. Leota's spiel suffers too in that it's volume is too low and is overpowered in places by the background music and effects.

    To be considered as well is that most of the RedDot cd's were CD-Rs which are much less durable than regular cds. They're fragile and deteriorate much faster than a pressed cd, which the box set cds will be.

    This we completely agree on. I don't either. I certainly don't want the RedDot content reproduced here. I want new ride thrus properly mastered and mixed from original sources that better represent the sound quality heard in the attractions. To me, this is not a waste of space. I expect most every sound - spiel, song, or sound effect - will be the best we've ever gotten our hands on. I also expect at 6 cd's for it to be the most comprehensive set of park recordings we've ever had, but not necessarily the final word. If I had my choice, the box would concentrate on past attractions, shows, parades and leave the still existing attractions to the upcoming "Sounds of Disneyland" project that Randy has mentioned for the kiosks which I expect will replace those RedDot cds and put them to shame.

    I can live with the Pirates RedDot cd. But the Mansion cd is subpar. I don't think it's good enough.

    These cd's are for all intents and purposes done since a project like this has to be locked at this point. We're all just speculating here. This is a wish list and I don't believe it can have any effect on the actual product since the release is about two months away.

    We don't agree on the subject of the Mansion and Pirates recordings on the set, but I think we would probably agree on a lot of the material we'd want to see. There's going to be about 7 and a half hours of space available and I think we'll all be happy in the end. Maybe not about everything, but by and large, I expect to be in love with the set and expect that you will be too Tim.

    I think Randy has the complete support of the company on this one. I'd expect that the expense of putting a 6 cd set out nationally for this indicates that. I'm hoping it sells well so that the company will be motivated to get behind more projects like it. I'd like to see us get every piece of the park's audio that we can, but I have to be realistic about the commerical prospects of such a thing.
     
  5. dizneydomenic

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    oh i agree the mansion and pirates cd quality could have been much better quality wise....but lets face it...it was the best cd collections weve had of the attractions to date....i found quality to be excellent for a disney commercial cd....im a collector of the park sounds....it was fine....im no audiophile who needs my stuff processed and reprocessed ...basically i said...id rather spend money on sounds ive not had the pleasure of purchasing or hearing before. ....some of the best stuff is the outtakes....what didnt get into the ride....and the alternate versions (gotta love that alternate carousel of progress track) its what makes the cds so fun to listen to. Ok include pirates and mansion on the cd...but then i agree...keep them as short as possible....highlights....or even as it was mentioned a actual time ride thru mix.
     
  6. BLM07

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    Yeah, I agree with this. A nice clean and complete stereo mix would be great. I'd want full narration, set audio, set dialog and of course background music. I don't know if it would be possible to include all of the sound effects without repeating a piece of music though. Some flow throughs cut the music out before it even gets to the end of the track, and that just doesn't do the ride justice.
     
  7. Robert Hollowood

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    I'm all for including full music from all portions of attractions. Most musical samples from attractions that "flow" like the Mansion and Pirates do are about a minute in length so it's not too much of a stretch to include the full music from each area. But, hearing the whole music loop repeat 4 times in a row so every sound effect from each area of the ride is included is overkill and I believe disrupts any flow the audio ride-thru has going for it. That's basically what I mean about making an impression of the ride. Full music cues, full spiels, full songs, but don't stretch a five minute ride into a 20 minute ride thru track just to make sure that every sound that a person could possibly hear in the attraction is included. Yes, it makes it more complete. But also makes it somewhat unlistenable in my opinion.
     
  8. BLM07

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    Yeah I wouldn't want to listen to the same thing too many times, I don't think they should include every single sound effect. The full set dialog, full background music, full narration and some sound effects would probably be the best. That sounds like a tough job though.
     
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    I think a full stereo ride-thru of Adventure thru Innerspace would be groovy :)
     

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